Treatment Abuse, Behavior Modification, Thought Reform > World Wide Association of Specialty Programs and Schools (WWASPS)
BREAKING THE VOW OF SECRECY
Anonymous:
--- Quote ---On 2005-10-20 12:16:00, Antigen wrote:
""Personally, I don't think the LGAT component of WWASPS has gotten enough attention by organizations like A START and Bazelon."
Really? Can you point me to some of that? I heard a rumor that Allison Pinto is closely affiliated w/ The Tavistock Institute. That was a new name on me. What I've found so far is that it started out after WWI as an institute to study and treat shell shock (PTSD) and that it's been rather controversial over the years. When you go looking for opinions and investigations about them, you come up w/ names like David Ick and Lyndon LaRouch, who some people think are often used to spread intentional disinfo and distraction.
So I'm back at the beginning wrt understanding who's involved in this effort and where they're likely to take it. Anybody got any more info?
As men's prayers are a disease of the will, so are their creeds a disease of the intellect.
--Ralph Waldo Emerson, American essayist, poet, philosopher
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Maybe I missed it, but I didn't see anything in the PDF file relative to the work they are doing.
Personally, what I would like to see is much more interest by behavior healtcare experts into this specific component of B.M. programs b/c I do believe LGAT plays a huge role in instilling participants with the values and beliefs of the facilitators (e.g. Lifespring former trainer) .... meaning INDOCTRINATION is what's really going on in these facilities.
That's all I was getting at.
Antigen:
S'awright. I misread. Somehow, I skipped right over the word "don't", reversing the sense of what you wrote. Sorry, my bad. We're on the same page.
Now, I haven't been able to substantiate any clear connection. But if you search "allison pinto" tavistock you get a couple of hits. Here's an interesting tidbit:
Tavistock in a County Jail
http://www.uvm.edu/~mkessler/akrice/SM_ ... _hazel.ppt
It's a powerpoint thing. Some browsers will choke. Use page down or the scrollbar to get the next frame.
If a woman has to choose between catching a fly ball and saving an infant's life, she will choose to save the infant's life without even considering if there are men on base.
-- Dave Barry
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Antigen:
Anybody know this guy?
Marc Kessler, Ph.D.
http://www.uvm.edu/~mkessler/
By 1940 the literacy figure for all states stood at 96 percent for whites. Eighty percent for blacks. Notice for all the disadvantages blacks labored under, four of five were still literate. Six decades later, at the end of the 20th century, the National Adult Literacy Survey and the National Assessment of Educational Progress say 40 percent of blacks and 17 percent of whites can't read at all. Put another way, black illiteracy doubled, white illiteracy quadrupled, despite the fact that we spend three or four times as much real money on schooling as we did 60 years ago.
--Vin Suprynowicz
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Antigen:
More interesting stuff...
http://www.uvm.edu/~mkessler/akrice/tavistock.html
Note that members seem not to be capable of ideas, thoughts, dreams, plans or predictions, only fantasies. At the end of the above referenced piece, we find that if the members are in any way displeased with the consults (facilitators) it's never due to any objective observation about the consultant's behavior or personality, it's just that the members "inevitably project on the staff their fantasies, fears, and doubts about authority and power."
Hmm, could this be a manifestation of Anonymity Anonymous
Anonymous:
--- Quote ---On 2005-10-20 14:45:00, Antigen wrote:
"S'awright. I misread. Somehow, I skipped right over the word "don't", reversing the sense of what you wrote. Sorry, my bad. We're on the same page.
Now, I haven't been able to substantiate any clear connection. But if you search "allison pinto" tavistock you get a couple of hits. Here's an interesting tidbit:
Tavistock in a County Jail
http://www.uvm.edu/~mkessler/akrice/SM_ ... _hazel.ppt
It's a powerpoint thing. Some browsers will choke. Use page down or the scrollbar to get the next frame.
If a woman has to choose between catching a fly ball and saving an infant's life, she will choose to save the infant's life without even considering if there are men on base.
-- Dave Barry
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No worries! Thanks alot for the heads up, I am currently researching the links you provided about Tavistock and must tell you I definitly have some concerns myself about who's involved in this reform movement and what direction it's heading. (Don't get me wrong, I'm glad to see something happening but I learned a long time ago to be careful what I wish for :smokin:
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