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« Reply #30 on: November 04, 2005, 11:08:00 PM »
Oh yeah, and I would've happily traded the "Sly Stallone in Rocky IV" build for the "Tim Robbins in Shawshank Redemption" build just to not have to perform in one of their cheesy musical productions.  :lol:
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« Reply #31 on: November 05, 2005, 09:49:00 AM »
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"Oh yeah, and I would've happily traded the "Sly Stallone in Rocky IV" build for the "Tim Robbins in Shawshank Redemption" build just to not have to perform in one of their cheesy musical productions.  :grin:

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« Reply #32 on: November 05, 2005, 11:38:00 AM »
It wasn't called "America's Spirit," but it was the same cheesy Up with People-type garbage.  I hated having to do that crap.  Remember "auditions," where everybody in the school had to get up in front of the entire student body and faculty and sing a song solo no matter how lousy their voice?  Now THAT was downright abusive and cruel.

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« Reply #33 on: November 05, 2005, 11:56:00 AM »
I remember my "audition" well. I sang the most offensive song I could think of! Was it everyone in the school or just the new kids? It was at the beginning of the regular year so I remember it as sort of a hazing type thing. But I could be wrong, it's been a long time.
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« Reply #34 on: November 05, 2005, 11:58:00 AM »
Oops, that last post was me. Forgot to log in.

I give money for church organs in the hope the organ music will distract the congregation's attention from the rest of the service.
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« Reply #35 on: November 05, 2005, 12:39:00 PM »
Tommy,

I, too, tried come up with something offensive.  I got a guy to accompany me with his guitar and did a passable Axl Rose imitation, screeching out the "I used to love her, but I had to kill her" song by Guns & Roses.

The faculty went BALLISTIC.  The look on Joe Gauld's face was priceless.

Of course, they made do another "audition" with a less offensive song.

They had absolutely no sense of humor. [ This Message was edited by: Lars on 2005-11-05 11:23 ]
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« Reply #36 on: November 05, 2005, 01:22:00 PM »
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And this, ladies and gentleman, is a good example as any as to why someone like Lars never "got it" at Hyde. A high-schooler who thinks he should be allowed to have sex because of his muscles.


Sour grapes  :rofl:

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« Reply #37 on: December 07, 2005, 04:25:00 PM »
I really didn't think that Hyde School was as bad as it seems here.  (The "torture" of an audition-- I mean, come on!)  I went there because I fought with my mom often.  It was nice to be in a place with clear expectations, even if some of those expectations required me to be overly personal-- I'm a writer, so that doesn't bother me.  

I was also exposed to some sports that became passions later.  Not all of the rules were my favorites, but I knew where I stood.  And if I needed to rebel, I simply wore a long jacket to dinner with nothing underneath.  Then, I could smile a little bigger when I got confronted in a long conversation with a Gauld, knowing that I had a little harmless secret.  I didn't need to be malicious or "take down the man."  I just needed to to know that I still thought for myself.

What I did get out of that place was that my father opened up to me and told me he loved me.  I'd never seen him do that before.  Also, I was finally not the only one to see that my mother was completely nuts.  They helped her to stop blaming me for everything, and she got a life.  

Who knows.  Maybe some of that stuff would have happened anyway just with my leaving home.  Either way, that is more of a benefit for my folks than for me.  Hyde is great therapy for parents.  

As for what I got out of it, I learned not to screw around-- I almost never had 2-4 or 5:30 because it was a good enough incentive to not break the rules.  I learned to educate myself, which I did, because I didn't think that the curriculum was rigorous enough for me.  I went to a good school, and I did well in college.  (See!  Even smart kids can get an education there.  Just like they can get one at a library or in a community college.  It just has to be self-motivated.)  

And I did feel that the faculty genuinely cared.  Unlike some of the others, I found it possible to follow the rules without compromising myself.  Although I will say that I "didn't get into it enough with people," because I genuinely didn't care enough about every random student out there to do so.

What was hard was that I was a non-addict and a virgin in a less-than-innocent environment.  It shocked the hell out of me, actually, and made me think that some of that stuff was normal.  I am now much more familiar with addiction than I was before, especially because some of my friends there relapsed and completely fell apart.  I'm not sure I would have been exposed to that kind of stuff in such a glorified light had I not gone to the "bad kid" school.  At the same time, I had a choice.  I chose to avoid drugs because it looked like a bad idea.  So no, it didn't screw me up.

I also know that the transition from Hyde to college is not particularly cushy for anyone.  Either people bust out like Rambo and go completely insane, or they have no idea how to socially adjust to an environment where nothing is personal and no one cares about your emotional problems.  The school can make their students a bit nacissistic because it openly tailors its character curriculum to best manipulate them into growing up.  Many of them come to depend on positive reenforcement, and subsequently remain completely insecure and needy for others' approval.  Maybe it's better to let them suffer in high school for being a show-off instead of delaying the lesson until they flunk out of college.

The graduate thing was mentioned before... since when did it become a good idea to teach kids to focus on mistakes as great "learning experiences?"  They justify poor or selfish behavior with its potential lessons, thus preventing the wake-up call from really sinking in.  (Remember the Action-Reflection cycle?)  

Who knew that there would be a culture out there that made people proud that they'd gone to prison?!  At some point, a kid needs to decide to let go of all the good excuses, self-inflicted or not, and do something about them (whether than means depression meds. or accepting reality for being as twisted as it really is.  Sometimes you get pregnant or someone dies or your husband gets caught by the FEDs for selling kiddie porn.  And then you're poor and have to get a job.  So do the job.  Life isn't fair.  There's the sob-story and then there's the solution.)  

Bottom line: in any environment, a person can either adapt or not adapt.  The problem with Hyde is that it gets a bunch of kids together who refuse to adapt and lets them either fester in their negativity as an underground attitude kid or convinces them that it is enough to acknowledge that they cannot adapt, to name their good excuse, because that is what everybody else is doing.  I find it healthier to be around people who proactively seek opportunities to change what doesn't work for them.  With regards to that, Hyde is the good excuse that keeps many-a-kid very, very stuck (and maybe some of the regular posters on this chat forum also.  So what if some school screwed with your head twenty years ago.  Move on!  This should be an opportunity for people to discuss the merits or down-sides to that kind of education.  If it's a place to vent frustration, then you really need to get a life.)
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« Reply #38 on: December 07, 2005, 04:59:00 PM »
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On 2005-12-07 13:25:00, Anonymous wrote:

"I really didn't think that Hyde School was as bad as it seems here.  (The "torture" of an audition-- I mean, come on!)  I went there because I fought with my mom often.  It was nice to be in a place with clear expectations, even if some of those expectations required me to be overly personal-- I'm a writer, so that doesn't bother me.  



I was also exposed to some sports that became passions later.  Not all of the rules were my favorites, but I knew where I stood.  And if I needed to rebel, I simply wore a long jacket to dinner with nothing underneath.  Then, I could smile a little bigger when I got confronted in a long conversation with a Gauld, knowing that I had a little harmless secret.  I didn't need to be malicious or "take down the man."  I just needed to to know that I still thought for myself.



What I did get out of that place was that my father opened up to me and told me he loved me.  I'd never seen him do that before.  Also, I was finally not the only one to see that my mother was completely nuts.  They helped her to stop blaming me for everything, and she got a life.  



Who knows.  Maybe some of that stuff would have happened anyway just with my leaving home.  Either way, that is more of a benefit for my folks than for me.  Hyde is great therapy for parents.  



As for what I got out of it, I learned not to screw around-- I almost never had 2-4 or 5:30 because it was a good enough incentive to not break the rules.  I learned to educate myself, which I did, because I didn't think that the curriculum was rigorous enough for me.  I went to a good school, and I did well in college.  (See!  Even smart kids can get an education there.  Just like they can get one at a library or in a community college.  It just has to be self-motivated.)  



And I did feel that the faculty genuinely cared.  Unlike some of the others, I found it possible to follow the rules without compromising myself.  Although I will say that I "didn't get into it enough with people," because I genuinely didn't care enough about every random student out there to do so.



What was hard was that I was a non-addict and a virgin in a less-than-innocent environment.  It shocked the hell out of me, actually, and made me think that some of that stuff was normal.  I am now much more familiar with addiction than I was before, especially because some of my friends there relapsed and completely fell apart.  I'm not sure I would have been exposed to that kind of stuff in such a glorified light had I not gone to the "bad kid" school.  At the same time, I had a choice.  I chose to avoid drugs because it looked like a bad idea.  So no, it didn't screw me up.



I also know that the transition from Hyde to college is not particularly cushy for anyone.  Either people bust out like Rambo and go completely insane, or they have no idea how to socially adjust to an environment where nothing is personal and no one cares about your emotional problems.  The school can make their students a bit nacissistic because it openly tailors its character curriculum to best manipulate them into growing up.  Many of them come to depend on positive reenforcement, and subsequently remain completely insecure and needy for others' approval.  Maybe it's better to let them suffer in high school for being a show-off instead of delaying the lesson until they flunk out of college.



The graduate thing was mentioned before... since when did it become a good idea to teach kids to focus on mistakes as great "learning experiences?"  They justify poor or selfish behavior with its potential lessons, thus preventing the wake-up call from really sinking in.  (Remember the Action-Reflection cycle?)  



Who knew that there would be a culture out there that made people proud that they'd gone to prison?!  At some point, a kid needs to decide to let go of all the good excuses, self-inflicted or not, and do something about them (whether than means depression meds. or accepting reality for being as twisted as it really is.  Sometimes you get pregnant or someone dies or your husband gets caught by the FEDs for selling kiddie porn.  And then you're poor and have to get a job.  So do the job.  Life isn't fair.  There's the sob-story and then there's the solution.)  



Bottom line: in any environment, a person can either adapt or not adapt.  The problem with Hyde is that it gets a bunch of kids together who refuse to adapt and lets them either fester in their negativity as an underground attitude kid or convinces them that it is enough to acknowledge that they cannot adapt, to name their good excuse, because that is what everybody else is doing.  I find it healthier to be around people who proactively seek opportunities to change what doesn't work for them.  With regards to that, Hyde is the good excuse that keeps many-a-kid very, very stuck (and maybe some of the regular posters on this chat forum also.  So what if some school screwed with your head twenty years ago.  Move on!  This should be an opportunity for people to discuss the merits or down-sides to that kind of education.  If it's a place to vent frustration, then you really need to get a life.) "


I appreciate your thoughtful and detailed comments.  Really.  And, I'm very pleased to know that Hyde "worked" for you.  I do think that's a possibility for some Hyde students.

However, there are many, many Hyde students and families that did not have your positive experience and were, in fact, quite damaged by Hyde's practices.  I'm very willing to believe that some people have good Hyde experiences.  But some have absolutely horrible experiences that are a direct result of Hyde's unprofessional practices.  The average parent, in my opinion, should definitely avoid Hyde; the risk simply is too great, especially considering that there are a number of much more professionally run schools out there.  

As you say, Hyde does have some caring teachers and staff who are helpful.  And . . . Hyde has too many staff who should NEVER be put in a position of authority over a student, much less a student who struggles with major issues.  The hundreds of postings on this board spell out why, with examples.
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« Reply #39 on: December 07, 2005, 05:26:00 PM »
Id say the ratio of 5 to 1 that Hyde is NOT a good idea for your son or family for that matter ::read::
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« Reply #40 on: December 07, 2005, 05:54:00 PM »
How fragile do you assume these kids are?  If you have a kid who can be destroyed by feedback in a highly critical environment, then no, Hyde is not Senstitivity-R-Us.  But the average kid would be fine in that environment.  I agree with what another alum said-- get out the crazies who need a bubble-boy environment and Hyde wouldn't be such a bad place.  Currently, it takes too many licenses in the admissions department and may not be a great spot for a sensitive kid.  However, I still think we're being a bit melodramatic here.  "Quite damaging?"  "The risk is simply too great?"  It seems a bit of a stretch if you are talking about the average kid.  
Definitely consider somewhere else if you're looking for a therapy school because there's not enough milk and cookies.  I have vague memories of kids who found it acceptable to suck the pressuring agent out of whipped cream to get high.  (That's a little scary as a spectator kid, and maybe they need real help.)  You should consider somewhere else if looking for a normal school because it is a tabloid-level melodramatic place.  However, I would not consider it harmful, and I've certainly met plenty of people who could testify to a positive experience.  But it is funny-- no one seems to have a neutral reaction.  Not sure what that means.  I do remember Joe Gauld asking the alums for feedback recently.  If anyone needs to get their two cents to the man, that's probably a good idea.
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« Reply #41 on: December 07, 2005, 06:50:00 PM »
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Bottom line: in any environment, a person can either adapt or not adapt.  The problem with Hyde is that it gets a bunch of kids together who refuse to adapt and lets them either fester in their negativity as an underground attitude kid or convinces them that it is enough to acknowledge that they cannot adapt, to name their good excuse, because that is what everybody else is doing.  I find it healthier to be around people who proactively seek opportunities to change what doesn't work for them.  With regards to that, Hyde is the good excuse that keeps many-a-kid very, very stuck (and maybe some of the regular posters on this chat forum also.  So what if some school screwed with your head twenty years ago.  Move on!  This should be an opportunity for people to discuss the merits or down-sides to that kind of education.  If it's a place to vent frustration, then you really need to get a life.) "


It's you who needs to get a life.  You're being insulting to those who were genuinely mistreated at Hyde.  Venting is a good and healthy thing.  I moved on a long time ago and I've been very successful in my profession and in life (I have a great family - the most important thing).  I've earned the right to get stuff off my chest.  I don't think it's a healthy place and people should know that.  I'm happy for you if you thought it was a positive experience.  I just know that I wasn't happy and never experienced true success until I got the hell out of there.
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« Reply #42 on: December 07, 2005, 07:27:00 PM »
Lars, I couldnt agree more good buddy :tup:
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« Reply #43 on: December 07, 2005, 07:49:00 PM »
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"How fragile do you assume these kids are?  If you have a kid who can be destroyed by feedback in a highly critical environment, then no, Hyde is not Senstitivity-R-Us.  But the average kid would be fine in that environment.  I agree with what another alum said-- get out the crazies who need a bubble-boy environment and Hyde wouldn't be such a bad place.  Currently, it takes too many licenses in the admissions department and may not be a great spot for a sensitive kid.  However, I still think we're being a bit melodramatic here.  "Quite damaging?"  "The risk is simply too great?"  It seems a bit of a stretch if you are talking about the average kid.  

Definitely consider somewhere else if you're looking for a therapy school because there's not enough milk and cookies.  I have vague memories of kids who found it acceptable to suck the pressuring agent out of whipped cream to get high.  (That's a little scary as a spectator kid, and maybe they need real help.)  You should consider somewhere else if looking for a normal school because it is a tabloid-level melodramatic place.  However, I would not consider it harmful, and I've certainly met plenty of people who could testify to a positive experience.  But it is funny-- no one seems to have a neutral reaction.  Not sure what that means.  I do remember Joe Gauld asking the alums for feedback recently.  If anyone needs to get their two cents to the man, that's probably a good idea."


You say the "average" kid would do fine at Hyde.  Perhaps so, depending on what you mean by average.  However, I encourage you to read Hyde's current promotional material, in which it says, explicitly, that about 70 percent of the kids who enroll at Hyde are "turnaround" kids who've had major behavioral and/or academic struggles and many of these have what the Hyde brochure refers to as an "alphabet soup of diagnoses."  That's hardly what I'd call average.  Maybe the other 30 percent fit your characterization.  If that's the case, Hyde should shrink in size dramatically.
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« Reply #44 on: December 07, 2005, 08:03:00 PM »
Well, I'm glad your life is good now.  But did you really think that what I wrote was such a rave review?  I didn't think it was that positive.  Just because I wasn't ready to burn the place down...  I guess I just don't give high school that much credit as a make-or-break point in life.  I'm sorry that you were traumatized.  Maybe I don't understand.  What was so bad again?  Really, I see why someone might not want to go there, but how is it so bad that you would recommend cutting off admission?
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