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What happened to Bob Lichfield?
« on: October 14, 2005, 03:28:00 PM »
I was in Cross Creek Manor back in 1989,and am just curious what happened to the man?!! It's like he dropped off the face of the earth! I still have nightmares of that place. After all these years, you'd think I would be over everything that happened to me. I am 32, and newly married. Well, I decided to do a google search on Robert Lichfield the other day, and was sick to my stomach when I learned of everything. All these schools he's started, all the abuse allegations. I am just hoping it's not as bad as it looks to be. I ran away from Cross Creek 2-14-89 by dangling out a window by a vacuum cord, then dropping to the ground and running into the night. They did run after me, but never continued the search since I had dirt on Bob Lichfield for innapropriate behavior. After nearly a month after being on the run, I got in touch with my therapist Dr. Goodwin, and arranged with my parents to not have to return to the school. I never did, I talked with Social Services which banned Lichfield from Cross Creek. I have to admit something though, I was in another school before that in Provo Utah called Heritage school where I was for 4 years. By the time I reached Cross Creek, since I got kicked out of Heritage School, I was a confused young lady who was seeking out the attentions of an older man. That happened to be Lichfield, he was an easy target. I was 16, very pretty, with a gorgeous body. I got him to take me shopping, do special favors for me, and some other things that I will not get into. But, I always felt a little bad for getting the guy into so much trouble. But you know what, the guy had threatened to send me to a wilderness program if I told anyone what had happened between him, and I. I then realized I probably wasn't the first girl this had happened to, or the last. After running away, I reported it, which resulted in him being banned from Cross Creek. It didn't stop him from opening up all these schools though. Why I decided to revisit this, I don't really know why? But, in the last week I have read a million articles on all this. It's extremely interested what has come of all this. Do I think he is evil? Well, I am not sure about that. I do know that he's very greedy though. I don't think he cares one bit about the children in any of his schools. I am shocked to hear of him being a Gospel Doctrine teacher??? What's that all about???? I know there is somebody out there that could turn this into a great movie!!! I also want to say hi to all those girls who  I was in there with. I hope you are all happy, and healthy. Let's not ever do to our children, what was done to us. OTherwise WWASP will be around forever! Keep smiling everyone, and I'll see you around here again!

Randi
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« Reply #1 on: October 14, 2005, 05:18:00 PM »
There is a movie about WWASPS called SELF MEDICATED.  It's the true story of a kid who was sent to Brightway and ran away, only to be recaptured and sent to another WWASPS program in St. George, and then, while being transported to Paradise Cove, escaped from his escorts at the Honolulu Airport.  The names of the psychiatric hospital (Brightway) and the programs were changed as this is a fictionalized story based on actual events.  You can check out the movie here (it's at the bottom on the page).

http://www.teenadvocatesusa.org

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« Reply #2 on: October 14, 2005, 05:22:00 PM »
I will check it out! Thanks :smile: BTW-since I plan on staying here a while, I decided to give myself a username. Were you in one of these schools?
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« Reply #3 on: October 14, 2005, 08:13:00 PM »
CCM girl, have you thought about giving a statement to ISAC ( http://www.isaccorp.org )?  I think they would be really interested in hearing about what Bob Lichfield did, given he is the head honcho.  (Okay he pays Ken Kay to be front man but Lichfield still pulls the strings).  I wasn't aware he had been banned from his own school too.
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« Reply #4 on: October 15, 2005, 12:28:00 PM »
No, I am not interested in making any statements to ISAC. I think that what I have to say about what happened to me 15+ years ago is pretty irrelevant to what is happening now. It seems like there are some kids in these places that are truely being physically, and emotionally abused, and they are the true victims here. I think that Bob, Brent, Ken, Karr, and all the other men who run these organizations don't really care what happens to the kids who attend their schools. Honestly, the money is what they care about most. I'm not really sure how they sleep at night? These programs need a complete overhaul. I don't believe in Tough Love. Most individual, and family therapy can be done from the child living at home. These programs they have, are a bunch of bullshit from the old school way of thinking. They think by making things tougher, and tougher, it will whip kids into shape, and do whatever they are told. I have often thought that it is many of these parents who need to be in these facilities. I say you shut down all these abusive schools, and re-open them with a different attitude. Since often times it's a combination of things that is making a family disfunctional, there should be a place where kids, and parents go for intensive therapy, together, for two weeks, and get things back on tract. Now, if the kids are on drugs, and need to detox, well then that is a totally different story.
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« Reply #5 on: October 15, 2005, 01:42:00 PM »
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No, I am not interested in making any statements to ISAC. I think that what I have to say about what happened to me 15+ years ago is pretty irrelevant to what is happening now.


Wha? Waaaitaminute, its VERY important!  :wink:

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« Reply #6 on: October 15, 2005, 06:08:00 PM »
Its almost like a parent hiring an abusive babysitter and just forgetting about it. Wouldn?t you be upset if you hired a babysitter and they had a history of abuse yet the former clients of this babysitter didn?t speak up and let you know the real deal behind this sitter? I think you have a lot of credibility even though it was 15 years ago. The thing about WWASPS is that they have had a pattern of reports of abuse for over a decade now. Its not like WWASPS have had people who only complained in 2001, this has been recurring year after year. WWASPS knows former students are too damaged or too scared to speak out, this is why they are still open today.
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« Reply #7 on: October 16, 2005, 10:13:00 AM »
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On 2005-10-14 12:28:00, Anonymous wrote:

"Let's not ever do to our children, what was done to us. OTherwise WWASP will be around forever! Keep smiling everyone, and I'll see you around here again!



Randi"


Randi:

I know quite a few people who would be interested in your experiences.  Please E-mail me privately at [email protected] and I'll send you some links.
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« Reply #8 on: October 16, 2005, 12:17:00 PM »
Here's the honest to god truth..........I am afraid to speak out. If fact, I am sure that they know exactly who I am. Look, I am married now, have a career I enjoy, and would prefer not to end up in a ditch! When I think about these men that run these places, I think about all the power they have, and they would never risk losing the lifestyle they have grown so accustumed to. They'd rather have me, and others like me killed. Back when I was in Cross Creek when they were just getting started......and I had my experiences that I had, and I threatened to speak out, and they said if I did they would have me sent to a hard core wilderness camp. Well, 15 years down the road and millions of dollars later why wouldn't they think that getting rid of me would be a lot cheaper then seeing me in a court of law testifying against them. They will not risk losing their money, and being embarressed. This is what needs to happen........we need decoys to go in there. With all the technology these days it wouldn't be so hard to document the abuse. There is no doubt in my mind if you do this, and have proof that you will be able to shut these places down. It's so easy for WWASPS to say oh these kids will try and manipulate their parents by telling lies so the parents will take them home. If I were on a jury, and heard both sides of a case such as mine, well I wouldn't know who to believe? You know, it wasn't just what happened between Bob and I. There was an incident with a couple of houseparents, I called the wife a bitch, and I was prepared for punishment with "work hours" (that was our old way of punishment....mowing the lawns of Cross Creek in 100 degree heat with a dull push mower, or working in the kitchen doing dishes, or washing vans, etc.) instead the husband pushed me to the ground, grabbed my ankles and drug me into the common area room infont of 10 students and held my legs while he was kicking me. There was a lot of strange stuff that happened to me there. The staff were not trained or edjucated to handle kids with problems. I don't know what to say...........I think their schools will eventually be proved abusive, and will be shut down. By the way, you have my permission to print these emails out and use them in anyway you like. I just don't think I could do anything more. I hope you understand.
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« Reply #9 on: October 16, 2005, 02:05:00 PM »
LOL ... Berryman!  You still supporting P.U.R.E. or have you moved on to being a REAL children's rights advocate?

Which is it? You can't expect to play on both teams and be taken seriously by those who are in this solely for THE KIDS and trying to protect their interests from outfits that profit from referring them into WWASPS competitors.

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« Reply #10 on: October 16, 2005, 02:25:00 PM »
Yeah Jeff, let's hear you denounce the web-based program referral services ... you know, the ones that recommend programs for "a finder's fee" and promote the kidnapping of children from their beds under the cover of darkness?

Hmmmm? Think it might be time for you to make a "disclosure" statement of your own?

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« Reply #11 on: October 16, 2005, 02:43:00 PM »
The bigger they are, the harder they will fall. Anyone out there agree? Lichfield and all his partners in crime will be exposed. When this happens they will not be able to escape all the embarressment. The day will come soon enough.
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« Reply #12 on: October 16, 2005, 02:49:00 PM »
Listen here, if anyone can prove to me that Jeff Berryman is no better then WWASPS........then I would love to hear it. Show me proof!
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« Reply #13 on: October 16, 2005, 03:23:00 PM »
CCM ... FYI, one of the non-WWASPS programs PURE refers to is Whitmore Academy which is a program in Utah where the owner, Cheryl Sudweeks has been charged with child abuse and hazing.  According to ex-Whitmore parents who post on Fornits, Sue Scheff of PURE referred most (maybe even all?) the Whitmore kids.  ISAC published statements from some of these parents/students on their website. See link below.

http://www.isaccorp.org/whitmore/jharris.pdf

As for Berryman, don't think I have ever seen a statement from him denouncing ed cons and/or parent referral services like PURE. Perhaps he will enlighten us as to whether he still supports PURE and other outfits like them who make a living referring kids into for-profit teen help programs?
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« Reply #14 on: October 16, 2005, 03:57:00 PM »
You people here on Fornits have made errors in your judgment in the past, which has caused some very sincere and loyal people who were out there to help the kids to walk away feeling defeated. It's true, so no use arguing the point.

Before messing with yet another person who may very well be acting in the best interest of the kids, why not do some homework and bring some real proof that he is somehow not looking out for their best interest. Otherwise, I would recommend everyone try working with one another, not against one another.

Do all the kids who need our help a favor - stop being so damn judgmental and critical of people who you do not even know anything about. You think you do but in reality you have no idea. I know this for a fact. You sit at your computers, acting like judges. But in real life everyone comes before a judge with their sides of the story, there's a jury of peers to help decide who is right and who is wrong, and then the judge states his ruling or the jury votes. That certainly does not go on here.

You people, the judges here on Fornits and elsewhere, have no idea the magnitude of damage you have caused to those who would and could have done some great things for the kids. You need to really process what I'm saying because this has been going on for quite some time now. You pick on someone, whoever it might be at the time, and you just don't give up until you do irreversible damage. Also, you tell too damn much here, don't you all know WWASP is out there reading all of your posts?

What I find ironic is that most of you don't even know each other. You think you do. But typing in a Forum does not constitute a relationship formed that is of any quality whatsoever.

Anyway, I'm not trying to lecture anyone or to piss anyone off. I'm still trying to hit it home to some of you that you are doing more damage than good in many instances. It's great to get out there and get voices heard. But in reality the voices heard here on Fornits will do nothing more than possibly get attention from potential parents. But if they read too much they'll get turned off by the way people interract and I doubt they'll value the information they find here. That, I feel, is sad because Ginger works extremely hard to get the word out and not censor what you guys are saying. Good in some ways, damaging in others. I see why she does it but I don't necessarily agree (I think there are times when some posts should be removed, but this is not my site and I have no say how she runs it). It's OK, we don't all have to agree on how we do things.

I think the important thing to remember at this point is that for any real change to happen a large number of like-minded people are going to have to learn to work together for the good of the kids. Until that happens and until some large organization/s come forward and sticks their necks out, not much is going to change. At least not for a long time. I know people get excited that a movie is coming out, a show, an article, but, as I type this, most people have no idea the teen industry exists. I know because I talk to many people and I mention it to everyone. I have yet to run into someone who has ever heard of WWASP, or any other group for that matter. So we're not succeeding yet, we need to find better ways to get the word out there.
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