Treatment Abuse, Behavior Modification, Thought Reform > Hyde Schools
NOTICE TO POTENTIAL PARENTS
HydeFan:
Folks, Ginger's name is public. Your, mine, the rest of ours, ain't.
I am actually less concerned with people's names than I am with the backfill of their story that gets left out in the retelling.
And without knowing bias, its hard to assess accuracy of comments, especially subjective ones.
I tried to use some objective statements to show at least some reasonable level of distorion was occurring.
That got twisted to the point of suggesting I support rape. (No doubt the next post will actually accuse me of actually committing rapes.)
Either way, believe it or not, I am very sympathetic to real abuse and am fascinated by what Ginger has started here (not necessarily re: Hyde but the overall theme), and I can only imagine there is a powerful story behind that.
Lars:
To Hydefan,
You should have some understanding for the kids who have had mental health issues treated as character problems by the know-it-alls at Hyde. Do you have any idea how terrible that is? Clinical depression is a horrible, debilitating illness and to have it labled "laziness" or "attitude" is just ignorant and cruel.
Or, how about highly intelligent students whose college prospects get screwed because of the grading system that brings down their average because they aren't considered "leaders" in class?
Try to have some understanding of why people on this board are so angry. It's not just a bunch of malcontents. The place was, and from the comments of some of the posters whose experience was more recent, still is deeply and fundamentally flawed (and even dangerous).
Antigen:
--- Quote ---On 2005-10-11 08:02:00, HydeFan wrote:
Based on a fairly extensive comparison, however, I found that the Seed (and the extremely abusive programs) are off the charts comparred to Hyde.
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Well, your perception that the mindfuck at Hyde is significantly different from the mindfuck at any other Synanon/Lifesprings based program is largely irrelavent.
Here, go over to the Seed Discussion Forum and try telling some of the pro-Seedlings how abusive their program was compared to Hyde. Please, don't take my word for it. Just try it yourself.
I do not consider it an insult, but rather a compliment, to be called an agnostic. I do not pretend to know where many ignorant men are sure.
--Clarence Darrow, American lawyer
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Anonymous:
--- Quote ---On 2005-10-30 10:22:00, Antigen wrote:
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On 2005-10-11 08:02:00, HydeFan wrote:
Based on a fairly extensive comparison, however, I found that the Seed (and the extremely abusive programs) are off the charts comparred to Hyde.
--- End quote ---
Well, your perception that the mindfuck at Hyde is significantly different from the mindfuck at any other Synanon/Lifesprings based program is largely irrelavent.
Here, go over to the Seed Discussion Forum and try telling some of the pro-Seedlings how abusive their program was compared to Hyde. Please, don't take my word for it. Just try it yourself.
I do not consider it an insult, but rather a compliment, to be called an agnostic. I do not pretend to know where many ignorant men are sure.
--Clarence Darrow, American lawyer
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You seem to be missing the point. I only know of Seeds what I have read. I know of Hyde from personal experience. My experience was better than many and transformative in my life.
But one thing I would never do is go to the Seeds board and pretend to have insight or input into what really went on there.
You, on the other hand, seem to feel free to kibbitz on the Hyde board and lump Hyde and seeds and all other "abusive schools" together.
I do think Seeds was off the charts compared to Hyde, but that isn't the point. My point was, what motivates you to keep trying to stir the pot and make points about a place you have had no involvement with.
On the face of it, it looks like you have at least a slight conflict of interest in that this is your website, and you have an interest in making it popular probably so you can sell advertising some day or something.
If you want to give disgruntled Hyde people a forum (many smiling zeros, people who didn't get it, and probably a few with legitimate beefs) why not just set that up and let it be. Instead, you keep jumping in pretending to have knowledge and experience with Hyde (implicitly).
That seems fairly duplicitous to me.
Anonymous:
--- Quote ---On 2005-10-30 09:52:00, Lars wrote:
"To Hydefan,
You should have some understanding for the kids who have had mental health issues treated as character problems by the know-it-alls at Hyde. Do you have any idea how terrible that is? Clinical depression is a horrible, debilitating illness and to have it labled "laziness" or "attitude" is just ignorant and cruel.
Or, how about highly intelligent students whose college prospects get screwed because of the grading system that brings down their average because they aren't considered "leaders" in class?
Try to have some understanding of why people on this board are so angry. It's not just a bunch of malcontents. The place was, and from the comments of some of the posters whose experience was more recent, still is deeply and fundamentally flawed (and even dangerous).
"
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You're absolutely right, Lars. The fundamental flaws you sensed at Hyde years ago persist. One major difference is that now websites like this one provide a forum to spread the word about Hyde's frequently destructive, arrogant, self-righteous, and hypocritical policies and practices. While some Hyde fans are quick to come to the school's defense (I don't question that some people feel helped by the school), many, many others clearly see through Hyde's duplicitous PR tactics. There are now so many stories about Hyde roaming around the Internet from credible sources. While some Hyde veterans continue to support the school, more and more people are coming out of the woodwork to tell their stories about Hyde's gross mishandling of students' emotional problems and arrogant interactions with both students and parents. I've now heard of many parents who were considering Hyde and, after reading these posts and talking with parents who have left Hyde, have decided to look elsewhere. These postings have alerted many people that they need to look underneath and behind Hyde's slick website and publications, and dig for behind-the-scenes anecdotes.
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