NOTICE TO POTENTIAL PARENTS

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Hyde Fan wrote:
****"Actually, not desparate at all. I started a new threat to simply tell my piece and leave the rest to the parents to decide."****

Started a new "threat," huh?  Little Freudian slip there...

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Another "satisfied customer"...
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On 2005-10-07 13:27:00, Antigen wrote:

"Who can guess which program this author is talking about?






During this time, everyone from "the program" is constantly telling you to hurry up and get to the [proper name obliqued] seminars. Another form of misrepresentation, now the blinders are in place. The seminars are basically everything I have been through as businessman with the exception that they "Act" like they are therapists. The seminar is to make you aware of why you messed your child up. Then they attempt to change your lifestyle forever. I personally think they change your lifestyle by soaking your bank account. I think humiliating people in front of others is simply not appropriate. Making people cry, telling them they should blame their parents for the way they have been raised, in your face until you disclose some deep dark secret. The worst part was when a facilitor (who is not a qualified therapist) tells the parents to go to Hawaii (or any trip) and send your child a postcard, "Having a great time without you." Now that was an eye opener.
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Not only does this sound EXACTLY like Hyde, I could tell you some of the exact same stories. Whoever wrote this is right "on point" about what goes on in seminars. I am a former Hyde parent and they tried to convince me that my parents failed me, and now I am failing my child. This observation by a facilitator who was a former drug addict and alchoholic was astounding! Unfortunately this is the norm at Hyde. Why would anyone want their child "learning" about life through the eyes of recovering addicts? Have brains parents, if you have to send your kid to a boarding school, put them in one with professional, loving teachers who will set a good example, not expose them to the horendous things at Hyde.
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I guess this parent "just didn't get it" either.

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On 2005-10-07 19:03:00, HydeFan wrote:

I am actually hoping to give the impression of a rounded, reasonable, thoughtful person who is willing to stand up for what he believes in, even in a forum where the premise virtually pre-determines the outcome.

How is it predetermined?

Innocence implies the ability to restrain from the initiation of aggression, and to question those who don't.
http://www.MisesRomania.org' target='_new'>Sorin Cucerai

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HydeFan wrote:

I am actually hoping to give the impression of a rounded, reasonable, thoughtful person...

Well, I guess keep hoping.  It hasn't panned out thusfar...

[Anonymous]

And if you do a search for my posts on this site, you will see discussions where others make fairly outrageous claims, that so far have turned out to be bald-faced lies.  

Outrageous claims that are bald-faced lies?  I don't recall anyone on these posts telling you that YOU did NOT EXPERIENCE something you claim to have experienced! invalidating your experiences so WHY are you again invalidating what others have experienced at Hyde?  

I was at Hyde.  I witnessed many things at the school with my own eyes! Teachers drunk at night in the hall, staff sexually harassing me and my girlfriends, girls being picked up by local guys after being unescorted to AA meetings in town, parents and kids being driven to hysteria in seminars in which no professional was available to give guidance, etc, etc.  

DON'T TELL ME THESE THINGS DID NOT HAPPEN, because I witnessed it or was a part of it!  THESE ARE FACTUAL things that happened, not "bald-faced lies."  You can pick apart all you want and justify by saying these things happen in all schools, but in all schools you are not paying $35,000 per year for professional staffing to make sure your kid is safe!  I wasn't safe and my parents were not aware of it because of the BULL Hyde fed them!  
Fine if you want to say positive things about Hyde, but STOP telling me that I am a liar by posting the truth!

[HydeFan]

More tilting at windmills....

I never said anything about your personal experience.

I said that you would find other lies on this site that I have carefully documented.

The first one was a claim that student on student rapes legally had to be reported by all schools and that Hyde had failed in this obligation.

The second was someones claim of irrefutable proof by the NIH that Hyde programs don't work.

The point was that it seemed clear people on this site are prone to exaggeration, distorion and outright lies.[ This Message was edited by: HydeFan on 2005-10-08 11:30 ]

[Anonymous]

On 2005-10-08 11:21:00, HydeFan wrote:

"More tilting at windmills....



I never said anything about your personal experience.



I said that you would find other lies on this site that I have carefully documented.



The first one was a claim that student on student rapes legally had to be reported by all schools and that Hyde had failed in this obligation.


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Oh, when a student/students rape another at the school, it does not have to legally be reported.  This is great representation about the kind of person you are.  So what if LEGALLY someone doesn't have to report a crime, I am not saying this is the case) does this make it ok?  What kind of crazy place is Hyde and the people who work there? Didn't you learn anything about morals and character at Hyde?

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The point was that it seemed clear people on this site are prone to exaggeration, distorion and outright lies.[ This Message was edited by: HydeFan on 2005-10-08 11:30 ]"

Yeah, you're one of the worst offenders.  You're so full of shit that it's not even funny.

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On 2005-10-08 11:21:00, HydeFan wrote:

The first one was a claim that student on student rapes legally had to be reported by all schools and that Hyde had failed in this obligation.

I think you have to be into the kool aid up to your eyebrows to think that the above statement makes Hyde look good.

Take note, parents! If a kid (your kid?) gets raped at Hyde, this extremely devoed Hyde Fan will not report it. So... there may well be active rapists at the school right now who are protected from legal prosecution.

Worse? They do not see a problem with this! You get that? It's all ok, the legal system's got nothing on them, they can cure anything from addiction to bolimia to deviant sadistic sexual tendencies, all on their own.

It's obnoxious to ask law enforcement to follow the law. That's insulting to every cop.

--John Lovell, lobbyist for the California police chief's association

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This is what I've been saying.  People like HydeFool will say anything to defend the program.  

They'll even say, "So what if a student raped another student?  Hyde isn't required to report it!"  Normal folk would say, "That poor child!  I'm calling the authorities!" :roll:

[Anonymous]

What is being said on this thread is appalling!!  How can HydeFan protect Hyde by saying, "they were under no obligation to report a rape based on the fact that it was students to student!!  UNBELIEVABLE!!  And don't forget, this comment has been posted by one of the "successes" at Hyde!!!

[HydeFan]

Wow.  Ok, this is good, parents, because it should really tell you about who is posting on this site.  

Before you read anything else, go read the "Rape at Hyde" thread and you will see what a profound distortion this is.

On that thread, one member assert that a student on student rape had occurred and that even though the victim apparently spoke openly about this in some sort of peer or school meeting, the school successfully covered it all, and that Hyde was guilty of the crime of failure to report the rape and should be prosecuted.

My response to that was, ASSUMING there even was a rape (something which happens at times in every school but which I have no evidence of here either way);

a.  I support the VICTIM's choice in making the decision whether or not to report a rape,

b.  for the poster to show evidence that if it did occur, that it had not been reported (to which they was no reply nor could there have been unless you were in this families inner circle),

c.  to ask for evidence that Hyde had violated a legal obligation to report the alleged crime.

The person could not back up the claim then, and now many of these same people, some who didn't go to Hyde or ever in their lives have any association with it, turn this into personal attacks stating (a) there may well be rapists at Hyde, (b) they won't be reported, and (c) they do not see a problem with it.

I suppose that's a better approach than admitting they were WAY off base with their original unsupported accusations about what really happened (since they actually don't have any way of knowing) or what the law is.

Again, hopefully this makes their folly fairly transparent.  At least I own my bias.  [ This Message was edited by: HydeFan on 2005-10-08 22:08 ]

[HydeFan]

Oh, when a student/students rape another at the school, it does not have to legally be reported.  This is great representation about the kind of person you are.  So what if LEGALLY someone doesn't have to report a crime, I am not saying this is the case) does this make it ok?  

So, just to make it clear, absent a legal obligation to report, I support the victim's decision to report a crime or not.  When its a minor, I think that should be done with the victim's family.  Assuming a rape really happened and he spoke about it in public (as alleged in the post), I think its fair to say the family was involved (since they ran the school).

Moreso, my statement was made in response to someone else who stated Hyde breached its legal obligation to report (something they actually had no way of knowing whether it happened or not).  

I merely poked around a little to show how at least some of you have no trouble lying to make a point.

The TRUTH was that if it happened at all, this person learned about it by the victim speaking about it openly, not some crime where no one else knew about it and now the poster was bringing a big scandal to light.  

The TRUTH was that no one knows what the victim and his family decided with regard to his life.  

The TRUTH was that the poster didn't know if a report had been made or not and had no way to know.

The TRUTH was that in response to my challenge, no one found a legal obligation to report supporting the position that Hyde committed a crime.

Lies, lies and more lies.  All to convince you parents that Hyde is bad and evil.  So here is my sound-byte of the day:

HYDE SUCKS WHEN YOU LIE.  I know.  I was on 2-4 for lieing once.  That was but one of a wide array of hard and joyous experiences there which changed my life.  Here's the rub.  The people who didn't get that then, are people who are still lieing when it suits their purpose.  And when you are still lieing 20-30 years later, its your life that must suck.

That is a shame and a waste.

Fortunately, you parents get to decide what you want for you and your child.  To be posting lies on some random website 30 years later about how your life was all messed up--or confronting the possibility that you need help with changing what's not working and making things better for you and your child by leading.
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HydeFool's mind was raped at Hyde.  The effects are still ingering.

HydeFool had graduated from drinking the Kool-Aid to snorting the Kool-Aid powder.  Pretty sad.

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Lifespring Seminars
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LGAT
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http://www.pianofinders.com/es/breakingthesecrecy.htm

http://www.nospank.net/bean.htm

http://www.denver-rmn.com/desperate/sit ... rate.shtml

http://fornits.com/wwf/viewtopic.php?topic=3107&forum=9

"TASKS" Seminars used by Hyde and nearly every other abusive "Emotional Growth" facility
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This should give you a good baseline. There is much more material on the web to read as well.

Once you understand that this same seminar series is used by all WWASP facilities and almost every other "program," including Hyde, and that they are based on Lifespring and that Lifespring is LGAT, you are well on your way to understanding the psychological damage caused by places like Hyde.
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