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« on: October 03, 2005, 12:58:00 AM »
Personally I find this report very disturbing and hope everyone who is interested in speaking up for Roberto Reyes, will write or call the "powers that be" (listed below report) and remind them that THERE IS NO EXCUSE FOR ABUSE OF CHILDREN IN THE NAME OF "TREATMENT" or "THERAPY" or "GOD" and that it's time for them to be proactive instead of reactive (e.g. why does a kid have to die to get the attention of lawmakers?)

http://www.teenadvocatesusa.org/THAYER_ ... Death.html

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« Reply #1 on: October 03, 2005, 03:27:00 AM »
Dont worry.
I will determine who the adult employees are and kill one of them.
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« Reply #2 on: October 03, 2005, 08:31:00 AM »
Listen up parents:

Kanoy [prosecuting attorney] said he hasn?t filed charges against anybody at Thayer because some allegations don?t rise to abuse, some can?t be proved and others simply aren?t credible. And investigations at Thayer are difficult, he said, because under state law, private facilities that provide care ?in conjunction with an educational program? are exempt from state licensing and regulation.
?We can?t get in the front door,? Kanoy said.

The Department of Social Services, however, cannot make unannounced visits to private facilities or remove children without a court order. And the Department of Elementary and Secondary Education has no oversight over private schools.

State social-service workers don?t have the authority to speak to students on demand, and they can?t shut down an unlicensed facility.

Officials with the Division of Children?s Services investigate allegations of child abuse and neglect with law-enforcement agencies and officers of the juvenile court. But even sheriff?s deputies have been turned away at Thayer, Caldwell County Sheriff Kirby Brelsford said.

Kanoy said, ?There has to be a search warrant to get in the front door, or consent.? He?s been inside Thayer on one occasion, he said, but ?consent has never been given? pursuant to any investigations. He said state officials ?kind of get stonewalled? at Thayer, and that he?s never had sufficient evidence to pursue a search warrant.

In a statement submitted to The Star in December 2004, Thayer officials said, ?No state agency or law enforcement agency has substantiated any improper activity at Thayer. These agencies have scrutinized Thayer frequently over the past 2½ years and found any and all allegations unsubstantiated or unfounded.?

Brelsford said that, most of the time, Thayer officials eventually let officers see the students in question. But it?s often several hours later, and sometimes he?s been told that the students are no longer at Thayer.

He?d like to see legislation enacted that would force schools such as Thayer to be licensed and regulated by the state.

?I?d love to be able to go to that door and walk in whenever I need to,? Brelsford said.

But Missouri is hardly alone with its lax licensing requirements.


***

Fuller asked Kanoy to subpoena medical records that might substantiate the allegations. In a report he submitted to Kanoy, later included in the Reyes lawsuit, Fuller wrote, ?I have a reasonable belief ? the crime of abuse of a child has been committed at Thayer Learning Center.?

Kanoy said he subpoenaed records of Thayer students from Renee Claycamp, a Hamilton, Mo., physician. It?s in connection with those allegations that Kanoy, 31, the sole prosecutor in his office, asked for assistance from the state attorney general.

?We?ll work with the prosecutor in determining whether there?s sufficient evidence to file charges,? said Scott Holste, a spokesman for Attorney General Jay Nixon. ?But that decision will rest with Mr. Kanoy, ultimately.?

Kanoy said his office takes abuse allegations at Thayer seriously. But some allegations don?t name the victims or are second- or third-hand reports. He?s not sure others constitute criminal behavior. One report, for example, says a girl was forced to sit in a plastic tub of urine for at least 2½ hours.

?That?s disturbing,? Kanoy said.

But is it child abuse?

?I don?t know,? he said.

IS HE THE RIGHT PERSON FOR THE JOB?? If for no other reason, this is why warehouses should be licensed.
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« Reply #3 on: October 03, 2005, 10:52:00 AM »
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On 2005-10-03 05:31:00, Anonymous wrote:

 One report, for example, says a girl was forced to sit in a plastic tub of urine for at least 2½ hours.

?That?s disturbing,? Kanoy said.

But is it child abuse?

?I don?t know,? he said.


Hmm, gee, I wonder.... is that abuse? How could anyone know? Oh, here's an idea! How about we assemble all of Mr. Kanoy's collegues and coworkers, don't forget the janitor and the interns, and make his ass soak in his own piss for a couple of hours? Think then he'd have a better understanding or some inkling of an opinion about whether or not that's abusive?
 

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« Reply #4 on: October 03, 2005, 11:02:00 AM »
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On 2005-10-03 05:31:00, Anonymous wrote:

"Listen up parents:



Kanoy [prosecuting attorney] said he hasn?t filed charges against anybody at Thayer because some allegations don?t rise to abuse, some can?t be proved and others simply aren?t credible. And investigations at Thayer are difficult, he said, because under state law, private facilities that provide care ?in conjunction with an educational program? are exempt from state licensing and regulation.

?We can?t get in the front door,? Kanoy said.



The Department of Social Services, however, cannot make unannounced visits to private facilities or remove children without a court order. And the Department of Elementary and Secondary Education has no oversight over private schools.



State social-service workers don?t have the authority to speak to students on demand, and they can?t shut down an unlicensed facility.



Officials with the Division of Children?s Services investigate allegations of child abuse and neglect with law-enforcement agencies and officers of the juvenile court. But even sheriff?s deputies have been turned away at Thayer, Caldwell County Sheriff Kirby Brelsford said.



Kanoy said, ?There has to be a search warrant to get in the front door, or consent.? He?s been inside Thayer on one occasion, he said, but ?consent has never been given? pursuant to any investigations. He said state officials ?kind of get stonewalled? at Thayer, and that he?s never had sufficient evidence to pursue a search warrant.



In a statement submitted to The Star in December 2004, Thayer officials said, ?No state agency or law enforcement agency has substantiated any improper activity at Thayer. These agencies have scrutinized Thayer frequently over the past 2½ years and found any and all allegations unsubstantiated or unfounded.?



Brelsford said that, most of the time, Thayer officials eventually let officers see the students in question. But it?s often several hours later, and sometimes he?s been told that the students are no longer at Thayer.



He?d like to see legislation enacted that would force schools such as Thayer to be licensed and regulated by the state.



?I?d love to be able to go to that door and walk in whenever I need to,? Brelsford said.



But Missouri is hardly alone with its lax licensing requirements.





***



Fuller asked Kanoy to subpoena medical records that might substantiate the allegations. In a report he submitted to Kanoy, later included in the Reyes lawsuit, Fuller wrote, ?I have a reasonable belief ? the crime of abuse of a child has been committed at Thayer Learning Center.?



Kanoy said he subpoenaed records of Thayer students from Renee Claycamp, a Hamilton, Mo., physician. It?s in connection with those allegations that Kanoy, 31, the sole prosecutor in his office, asked for assistance from the state attorney general.



?We?ll work with the prosecutor in determining whether there?s sufficient evidence to file charges,? said Scott Holste, a spokesman for Attorney General Jay Nixon. ?But that decision will rest with Mr. Kanoy, ultimately.?



Kanoy said his office takes abuse allegations at Thayer seriously. But some allegations don?t name the victims or are second- or third-hand reports. He?s not sure others constitute criminal behavior. One report, for example, says a girl was forced to sit in a plastic tub of urine for at least 2½ hours.



?That?s disturbing,? Kanoy said.



But is it child abuse?



?I don?t know,? he said.



IS HE THE RIGHT PERSON FOR THE JOB?? If for no other reason, this is why warehouses should be licensed.





"


NOT ENOUGH EVIDENCE. NOT SUBSTANTIATED.

So all the folks who are there, have investigated, have talked to the kids, have worked with them etc., are  so extraordinarily inept that they can't even spot some real proof, or even get a court order. Is it a cover-up, or is it just that the abuse didn't happen? Even the evil people who run programs have some constitutional rights, you know.

Think about this: What if there wasn't any abuse, but a few pissed off kids found a sympathetic ear with people who never got past the us-versus-them thing with authority, and every claim got repeated a hundred times, but none of it was true? What if it really never happened? What about the people who wanted all their lives to do good work with kids, and they made it happen, but then they got accused of things they didn't do? Do you see where these things can go wrong?

NOT ENOUGH EVIDENCE!!!!      ::bangin::
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« Reply #5 on: October 03, 2005, 11:02:00 AM »
//Hmm, gee, I wonder.... is that abuse? How could anyone know? Oh, here's an idea! How about we assemble all of Mr. Kanoy's collegues and coworkers, don't forget the janitor and the interns, and make his ass soak in his own piss for a couple of hours? Think then he'd have a better understanding or some inkling of an opinion about whether or not that's abusive? //



My thoughts exactly!
I could hardly believe what I was reading!
That Bozo needs to be fired.

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« Reply #6 on: October 03, 2005, 12:28:00 PM »
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On 2005-10-03 08:02:00, Anonymous wrote:

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Quote

On 2005-10-03 05:31:00, Anonymous wrote:


"Listen up parents:





Kanoy [prosecuting attorney] said he hasn?t filed charges against anybody at Thayer because some allegations don?t rise to abuse, some can?t be proved and others simply aren?t credible. And investigations at Thayer are difficult, he said, because under state law, private facilities that provide care ?in conjunction with an educational program? are exempt from state licensing and regulation.


?We can?t get in the front door,? Kanoy said.





The Department of Social Services, however, cannot make unannounced visits to private facilities or remove children without a court order. And the Department of Elementary and Secondary Education has no oversight over private schools.





State social-service workers don?t have the authority to speak to students on demand, and they can?t shut down an unlicensed facility.





Officials with the Division of Children?s Services investigate allegations of child abuse and neglect with law-enforcement agencies and officers of the juvenile court. But even sheriff?s deputies have been turned away at Thayer, Caldwell County Sheriff Kirby Brelsford said.





Kanoy said, ?There has to be a search warrant to get in the front door, or consent.? He?s been inside Thayer on one occasion, he said, but ?consent has never been given? pursuant to any investigations. He said state officials ?kind of get stonewalled? at Thayer, and that he?s never had sufficient evidence to pursue a search warrant.





In a statement submitted to The Star in December 2004, Thayer officials said, ?No state agency or law enforcement agency has substantiated any improper activity at Thayer. These agencies have scrutinized Thayer frequently over the past 2½ years and found any and all allegations unsubstantiated or unfounded.?





Brelsford said that, most of the time, Thayer officials eventually let officers see the students in question. But it?s often several hours later, and sometimes he?s been told that the students are no longer at Thayer.





He?d like to see legislation enacted that would force schools such as Thayer to be licensed and regulated by the state.





?I?d love to be able to go to that door and walk in whenever I need to,? Brelsford said.





But Missouri is hardly alone with its lax licensing requirements.








***





Fuller asked Kanoy to subpoena medical records that might substantiate the allegations. In a report he submitted to Kanoy, later included in the Reyes lawsuit, Fuller wrote, ?I have a reasonable belief ? the crime of abuse of a child has been committed at Thayer Learning Center.?





Kanoy said he subpoenaed records of Thayer students from Renee Claycamp, a Hamilton, Mo., physician. It?s in connection with those allegations that Kanoy, 31, the sole prosecutor in his office, asked for assistance from the state attorney general.





?We?ll work with the prosecutor in determining whether there?s sufficient evidence to file charges,? said Scott Holste, a spokesman for Attorney General Jay Nixon. ?But that decision will rest with Mr. Kanoy, ultimately.?





Kanoy said his office takes abuse allegations at Thayer seriously. But some allegations don?t name the victims or are second- or third-hand reports. He?s not sure others constitute criminal behavior. One report, for example, says a girl was forced to sit in a plastic tub of urine for at least 2½ hours.





?That?s disturbing,? Kanoy said.





But is it child abuse?





?I don?t know,? he said.





IS HE THE RIGHT PERSON FOR THE JOB?? If for no other reason, this is why warehouses should be licensed.








"




NOT ENOUGH EVIDENCE. NOT SUBSTANTIATED.



So all the folks who are there, have investigated, have talked to the kids, have worked with them etc., are  so extraordinarily inept that they can't even spot some real proof, or even get a court order. Is it a cover-up, or is it just that the abuse didn't happen? Even the evil people who run programs have some constitutional rights, you know.



Think about this: What if there wasn't any abuse, but a few pissed off kids found a sympathetic ear with people who never got past the us-versus-them thing with authority, and every claim got repeated a hundred times, but none of it was true? What if it really never happened? What about the people who wanted all their lives to do good work with kids, and they made it happen, but then they got accused of things they didn't do? Do you see where these things can go wrong?



NOT ENOUGH EVIDENCE!!!!      ::bangin:: "


Actually, I think you missed the key point.  Local authorities can NOT gain unrestricted access to the facility to make a proper determination.

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« Reply #8 on: October 03, 2005, 03:14:00 PM »
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On 2005-10-03 07:52:00, Antigen wrote:

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On 2005-10-03 05:31:00, Anonymous wrote:


 One report, for example, says a girl was forced to sit in a plastic tub of urine for at least 2½ hours.



?That?s disturbing,? Kanoy said.



But is it child abuse?



?I don?t know,? he said.




Hmm, gee, I wonder.... is that abuse? How could anyone know? Oh, here's an idea! How about we assemble all of Mr. Kanoy's collegues and coworkers, don't forget the janitor and the interns, and make his ass soak in his own piss for a couple of hours? Think then he'd have a better understanding or some inkling of an opinion about whether or not that's abusive?

 

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be acclaimed the leader.
--Nostradamus


"


Jeez, ain't that the truth?  

Second, how can this prosecutor be on the fence about something that if a parent tried to do (or did do) to their own child in their own home would land them in jail charged with child abuse?

Honestly, does this make any sense at all?

Programs get a free pass to potentially violate the civil and human rights of kids because the state's child protective services, judicial system and law enforcement agencies are impotent?

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« Reply #9 on: October 03, 2005, 04:24:00 PM »
It took the DA in Nephi, Utah a FEW MONTHS to bring criminal charges of child abuse against Cheryl Sudweeks, the owner of Whitmore Academy. These parents need to stay on top of this, and keep this in the media until this DA does his job!
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« Reply #10 on: October 03, 2005, 04:58:00 PM »
No, the point is, they CAN have the access if they have enough evidence to get  a court order. Giving anyone in government unrestricted access to any business or home without just cause is simply a bad idea. The access is restricted by the constitution, and rightfully so.

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« Reply #11 on: October 03, 2005, 05:40:00 PM »
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Think about this: What if there wasn't any abuse, but a few pissed off kids found a sympathetic ear


Sure, I guess if it were just a couple of kids who knew each other and had opportunity to conspire and get their story straight.

But how in the world do you explain all these different people, including fully grown adult staff, having never met each other, having been at the facility at different times, and yet all reporting the same behaviors?

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« Reply #12 on: October 03, 2005, 06:46:00 PM »
Your point is well taken, but consider this:

A single incident or account multiplies once it's out there. Let's say a staff person yells in a kid's face, says things that are disrespectful, or vulgar. After leaving, the student tells a reporter, who writes a story raising concerns. Another paper---and say, two websites---pick up the story. Now you have two sites which will network with all the standards: PTAVE, ISAC, etc., plus another newspaper whose headline is something like "Allegations at Program". You can accurately say that there are now at least four reports of abuse, but they all really refer to only one incident. The accurate account is that ONE staff person was abusive to ONE kid, but it multiplies, giving a false impression of more problems than there really are. So all in all, it's tough to discern how many events we're talking about.

We don't even know how many programs there are, or how many kids attend them, so it's tough to even determine a percentage of abuse allegations in programs as opposed to the general public, or public schools.

This may support the idea of states licensing  programs, but remember that, in states that have licensing, or whose programs are run primarily by the state, there are far more proven abuses and documented events like suicides, accidental deaths, etc. There is also much less family participation.


It doesn't, in my opinion, make it a good idea to give Big Brother the keys to every school or program out there. His track record ain't that great.
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« Reply #13 on: October 03, 2005, 09:11:00 PM »
Why a closed door policy? What ARE they hiding?
Come on...there is abuse going on there.
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« Reply #14 on: October 03, 2005, 10:48:00 PM »
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On 2005-10-03 07:52:00, Antigen wrote:

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On 2005-10-03 05:31:00, Anonymous wrote:


 One report, for example, says a girl was forced to sit in a plastic tub of urine for at least 2?hours.



?That?s disturbing,?Kanoy said.



But is it child abuse?



?I don?t know,?he said.


You see the group was on a field trip and this girl tried to escape.Whilst hiding in the underbrush she was swarmed by fire ants.The group was in a remote location and the only emergency care available was the natural remedy of soaking the girl in a bucket of urine TO SAVE HER LIFE!
You are such a know-it-all bitch Antigen!



Hmm, gee, I wonder.... is that abuse? How could anyone know? Oh, here's an idea! How about we assemble all of Mr. Kanoy's collegues and coworkers, don't forget the janitor and the interns, and make his ass soak in his own piss for a couple of hours? Think then he'd have a better understanding or some inkling of an opinion about whether or not that's abusive?

 

Come the millennium,

month 12,

in the home of greatest power,

the village idiot will come forth to
be acclaimed the leader.
--Nostradamus


"
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