Treatment Abuse, Behavior Modification, Thought Reform > The Seed Discussion Forum
Dear Art,
Ft. Lauderdale:
Antigen, What program was that? I thought this is the Seed Discussion Forum. Are you being delusional again and thinking that you were on the program again? I think you were just accusing some of us of doing the very same thing?
Could it be all the years of cannabis are having ill effects? I'm just assuming?
Once again my dear The seed was the seed and straight was straight. Keep saying it to your self over and over . Some day it may sink in, but I doubt it.
Your a very angry person and probably always will be, from what I've seen.
The seed did change alot for the better as time went on it moved on. Maybe you shoud too.
Antigen:
No, that's you being delusional again, trying to convince us all that Straight was nothing at'all like the Seed.
If you can locate my oldest brother in a lucid moment (not an easy task, by any means) you can ask him about the impact of getting booted from the family on Art's recomendation.
Government can do something for the people only in proportion as it can do something to the people
Thomas Jefferson.
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Ft. Lauderdale:
Sure it was a copycat program. That doesn't make it the same. Have you ever seen a sequel of a movie, usually its not quite as good as the original. I never said they wern't anything alike. You have twisted it around again.
cleveland:
Wow, this thread turned out somewhat different than I thought it might, but it has certainly been interesting.
After reading the tales of woe of former Seed graduates who ended up in prison for terrible acts, and the pro and con Seed discussion, and the fake Seed letters, I guess a couple of things come to my mind:
1. It is very difficult to prove what the Seed 'caused' - just because someone graduated and has a wonderful life, or a terrible life, you cannot prove or disprove that there is a direct link. At best, you'd have to compare the population of kids who entered the Seed in the 70s or 80s with others who didn't, and correct for the fact that many Seed kids did come through the courts or because they had problems, drug or otherwise. Also it is true that many like myself came in for 'attitude.' That would be an interesting study. I would guess that probably some people did stop using drugs due to the Seed's intervention, and some probably went out to lead better lives (althought they may have done so in time anyway). I am also guessing that there was a group of kids who left the Seed and went on to get into trouble; some will say that is due to the Seed but I think it is only anecdotal. I don't know if the 'toughlove' approach advocated by the Seed would have been severe enough to be directly causitive. I think it would be tough to prove, unless there was abuse sufficient (more than what I observed and experienced).
2. Hardly anyone wrote a sincere letter to Art, but I appreciate those willing to do so in a public setting. Anybody else want to give it a try?
Antigen:
You just keep on telling yourself that...
Government exists to protect us from each other. Where government has gone beyond its limits is in deciding to protect us from ourselves
--Ronald Reagan
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