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Offline Cynthia

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How is using foul language thereputic?
« on: September 26, 2005, 11:56:00 PM »
My son, as messed up as he was a few years ago, at least had the courtsey not to use foul language when he was around me.
Now it is all I hear. He said he was so used to it from elan, that it is hard to break.
I want to break his arm when I hear this. Can't people let their feeling out in a more appropriate manner?
Any social skills taught there? What does swearing teach?????????
Honest replies only please.
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« Reply #1 on: September 27, 2005, 09:20:00 AM »
Wtf, you send your son to Elan and now you're disappointed that some cussing rubbed off on him?? :evil:
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« Reply #2 on: September 27, 2005, 12:20:00 PM »
I used to always try to get my feelings off in the slowest, quietest, most polite tone possible; explaining to the staff that it was more therapeutic  :idea: - needless to say, the staff didn't take a shining to that, and it just resulted in yelling in my direction.

I can't remember their explanation for why you had to cuss and yell; I'm sure it was more of the same...
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« Reply #3 on: September 27, 2005, 01:02:00 PM »
i just recently graduated from elan and understand that your son may be using foul language. really sometimes i swear around my parents accidentally also, but you know if that's the worst that he's doing then you gotta deal with it. i mean my parents don't like the fact that i swear sometimes but theyre happy that ive changed a lot of my other behaviors
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« Reply #4 on: September 27, 2005, 01:14:00 PM »
Profanity is a feeble mind's attempt to express itself forcefully.

Neither in my private life nor in my writings, have I ever made a secret of being an out-and-out unbeliever.
--Sigmund Freud, Austrian-born psychologist

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« Reply #5 on: September 27, 2005, 01:20:00 PM »
I understand completely, when my daughter came home her language was really bad and it was hard to take.  After a few arguments with her about it I began to realize that this was small in Comparison to what lead her to be placed in a TBS in the first place.  She was doing well, going to school, working and found a new group of friends.  The language still bothers me, but I Secretly smile when I see how far she has come and how happy she is.
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« Reply #6 on: September 27, 2005, 01:59:00 PM »
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On 2005-09-26 20:56:00, Cynthia wrote:

"My son, as messed up as he was a few years ago, at least had the courtsey not to use foul language when he was around me.
Now it is all I hear. He said he was so used to it from elan, that it is hard to break.
I want to break his arm when I hear this. Can't people let their feeling out in a more appropriate manner?
Any social skills taught there? What does swearing teach?????????
Honest replies only please."


Cynthia, I graduated Elan about 10 years ago and I still have to remind myself "how to behave like a normal person" ie. not cursing.  Elan taght this terrible habit (as well as others) and bad habits are hard to kick.  Now that I have children of my own, I am better about it because I don't want it to rub off on them.  

I don't believe it is therapeutic at all.  But neither was anything else they did there (corner, restraints, scrubbing floors, wearing signs).  

Do you ever regret sending your son to Elan?
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« Reply #7 on: September 27, 2005, 02:03:00 PM »
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On 2005-09-27 10:14:00, DOC SLOW wrote:

"Profanity is a feeble mind's attempt to express itself forcefully.


The Stepcult is the feeble mind's attempt to fathom it's drug experiences.
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« Reply #8 on: September 27, 2005, 02:29:00 PM »
That is strong language in some circles, but when you start talking about the ugly, evil nature of therapy today, no language is strong enough. Like "Wait a minute, whoreface! That's my money that your hired swine are stealing and using up there! That space belongs to me. That is public property, and I am part of the public. You're trespassing! You are a brazen crap-eating criminal, and it is legal for me to kill people like you!"



You want to be vaguely careful when you start screaming about killing people. It can be a touchy subject. Never threaten to kill people in front of witnesses. Take my word for it.
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« Reply #9 on: September 27, 2005, 04:16:00 PM »
Cynthia, I graduated Elan about 10 years ago and I still have to remind myself "how to behave like a normal person" ie. not cursing.  Elan taght this terrible habit (as well as others) and bad habits are hard to kick.  Now that I have children of my own, I am better about it because I don't want it to rub off on them.  



I don't believe it is therapeutic at all.  But neither was anything else they did there (corner, restraints, scrubbing floors, wearing signs).  



Do you ever regret sending your son to Elan?  "
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From what I hear,
elan is not nearly as bad as in its earlier days. No more physical abuse. I have talked to many recent graduates. I have also talked to people my age. It seems like two different places.
Do I regret sending my son there? That is hard to answer.
I needed to get him away from our hometown, away from bad friends and bad things he was doing. He had received only 7 credits with sub-standard grades at the end of his sophmore year. I was desparate for him to LEARN and hopefully graduate.
I hired a Sp Ed Atty because I really was out of ideas.
There aren't many schools that take kids who threaten to run away.
I hate the way elan operates.
I do think he learned while he was there.(I have struggled with his education since he was 6.)
I think he may have ended up dead or in prison, had he not gone somewhere.
I am greatful that I have my son.
Regret? No.
I do wish I could have had some better options. I hope that answers it for you. I isn't a simple answer. Cindy[ This Message was edited by: Cynthia on 2005-09-27 13:21 ]
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« Reply #10 on: September 27, 2005, 04:30:00 PM »
When he gets out, he can come and post here on Fornits Fora!!!

our membership just keeps on growin'!!! :roll:
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« Reply #11 on: September 27, 2005, 04:34:00 PM »
He has been home for over a year. He isn't into the internet.
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« Reply #12 on: September 27, 2005, 05:06:00 PM »
Oh shit! you're right! I'd better get going!  :question:
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« Reply #13 on: September 27, 2005, 11:52:00 PM »
Mr pink reminds me of a cartman quote.
He's a "gay cowboy eating pudding."  True just, and to the point.  Mr pink, you are as gay as it gets.
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« Reply #14 on: September 28, 2005, 01:20:00 PM »
now, search your hard drive for a picture of just that... something tells me you won't come up empty handed  :wink:  :razz:
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