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Dear John U
FueLaw:
I was in Broward(State Road 84) from Fall of '73-July '74. Prior to that Dade.
rjfro22:
FurLaw,
I was in the Seed the same time as you on SR84
and I don't remember seeing John U all that much back then. I was there march of 73 till 75 , I believe John was somewhere else during that time, He did show up every now and then. I also agree with FtLauderdale, the blame is on your parents. Why on earth did they put you in the seed?, I quess you were an angel.
When I did deal with John U , He was pretty decent to me, Once after the group came down on me for something petty John called me up to his office and asked me what was wrong , he seemed to be very sensitive to my feelings. He listened to what I had to say, gave me a pat on the back and told me to go back to the group.
Antigen:
--- Quote ---On 2005-09-28 15:07:00, rjfro22 wrote:
I also agree with FtLauderdale, the blame is on your parents. Why on earth did they put you in the seed?, I quess you were an angel.
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Being at least 40 yourself by now and, therefore, privy to the real behind the scenes lives and personalities of other old farts, why in the world would you just take it for granted that any of the parents must have had good reasons? Once an intake "interview" started they rarely ever resulted in anything but a fresh butt on front row. The decision to initiate the intake was entirely subjective. In my case, my mom was a 2nd generation Oxford believer and Art said druggie attitudes (any behavior or belief that made her uncomfortable) could be cured by his magical methods at the onset of adolescance. She believed him. She's not the only one. Turns out a LOT of Seedlings made up out of whole cloth their past drug use stories just to get off front row.
In large part, a lot of kids landed up there who never had anything close to a drug problem because John and the rest of staff, group and parents were so very sincere and, therefore, very convincing in their belief that every kid presented probably would have taken up a habit eventually.
We are students of words; we are shut up in schools and colleges and recitation rooms for ten or fifteen years and come out at last with a bag of wind, a memory of words, and do not know a thing.
--Ralph Waldo Emerson
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FueLaw:
Obviously we were there together, at least the 9-10 months of the program I spent in Broward. At that time they had closed Dade and were going pretty strong in St. Pete & Broward. I did a refresher and start over during that time and remember seeing alot of Mr. Underwood. I realize he was also at the other facilities too.
Let me clarify the stuff I said about some "Parents". All I am saying is that some of the kids parents used the Seed as a crutch or escape for their own shortcomings as parents. They were frustrated and maybe lacked understanding of their children and used the Seed as a place to put them and to deal with them. In addition when a parent contacted the Seed or went to an intake interview they were told that the Seed would straighten their kid out in just two short weeks. ::unhappy:: [ This Message was edited by: FueLaw on 2005-09-28 15:33 ]
Antigen:
--- Quote ---On 2005-09-28 15:29:00, FueLaw wrote:
I dont blame her. I blame the liars on staff who did my intake interview.
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I think it's useful to discuss both sides of the issue. How I wish our parents were net savvy and willing to talk w/ the struggling parents over on the program support/recruiting forums.
--- Quote ---I am happy Underwood was decent to you. I am not saying he was a SOB 100% of the time.
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I don't think there are any 100% SOBs in the whole mix. Ok, maybe some, as in any crowd. But I think they find good purchase in an authoritarian structure where they will not be questioned. Power corrupts, it sure does.
But you know what they say about good intentions.
--- Quote ---If only there were evil people somewhere, insidiously committing evil deeds, and it were necessary only to separate them from the rest of us and destroy them. But the line dividing good and evil cuts through the heart of every human being. And who is willing to destroy a piece of his own heart?"--
Alexandr Solzhenitsyn
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Wicked men obey from fear, good men from love.
--Aristotle
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