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marshall:
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"My brother on the other hand, who says the Seed was great has been on dugs since he left."
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That's the strange disconnect. If you are strongly pro-seed but keep using drugs or regularly relapsing...are you considered a success story? If you are strongly critical of the program but have remained drug-free...are you considered a failure? I think this disconnect is pretty common. I used to manage a radio station and I once fired a guy for being sloppy drunk while on the air. He was delivering a monologue to his listeners about how wonderful AA is...all while drunk.
[ This Message was edited by: marshall on 2005-09-30 09:20 ]
wtaylorg:
I think this is how it went, I could be wrong, but I doubt it. Around '83, A yr after I moved down there, maybe a little earlier Art had a problem with his heart and was advised to quit smoking. Therefore smoking was banned at the Seed, at least in the bldg. Some guys and maybe girls still smoked elsewhere. I can't be certain. I used to ride around with Bob K and he would smoke.
I lived out in Davie at Bob W's house and sometimes I would ride out west of Davie, going to the bank, near the Everglades, and have a smoke. I was busted a few times for having a cigarette while I stayed the night.
Staff told me I didn't need 'em, because now I was loved. (smile) I was certainly not comfortable enough to give up the only thing that gave me any sense of relief then.
Maybe a yr after the no smoking rule, Art had another heart problem and required a procedure of some sort. This initiated the "get healthy" rule. Prior to this the "girls made cookies, candy, that kind of thing and would bring it into the group. Not after that.
So, the point is the Seed mirrored Art's behavior and ideaology at the time. It changed as Art changed.
But, Art would still say in the group all the time he never changed because he was perfect.This idea was constantly repeated in raps. We had to change to come to Art's level. But, it was highly unlikely we ever would. Maybe the "blue bloods", but not the "workers".
Thanks for the proletariat!
Antigen:
--- Quote ---On 2005-09-30 08:58:00, marshall wrote:
That's the strange disconnect. If you are strongly pro-seed but keep using drugs or regularly relapsing...are you considered a success story? If you are strongly critical of the program but have remained drug-free...are you considered a failure?
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That's been my experience, or pretty close. Though I've never sworn off drugs, I have gone years w/o ever purchasing so much as a dime bag of pot or a 6-pack of beer. Why? I had kids to feed, bills to pay and no really good career options. I simply couldn't afford it.
On the other hand, I have two brothers who have struggled constantly w/ substance abuse and other compulsion issues. But they both do the stepcraft boogie on a regular basis, and so they're members in good standing of what used to be my family.
It seems to be the rhetoric that matters. If you blame all your own asshole moves on some recreational activity or other, then you're a good person deserving of love, acceptance, support and kindness. If you take responsibility for your own actions and insist that drugs are not controling anybody, well then you get the bum's rush.
As men's prayers are a disease of the will, so are their creeds a disease of the intellect.
--Ralph Waldo Emerson, American essayist, poet, philosopher
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GregFL:
--- Quote ---On 2005-09-30 05:15:00, Jupiter Survivor wrote:
"I did a few drugs after I left the Seed, nothing major just a little pot. My brother on the other hand, who says the Seed was great has been on dugs since he left.
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How typical...
GregFL:
--- Quote ---On 2005-09-30 11:06:00, wtaylorg wrote:
"I think this is how it went, I could be wrong, but I doubt it. Around '83, A yr after I moved down there, maybe a little earlier Art had a problem with his heart and was advised to quit smoking. Therefore smoking was banned at the Seed,
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:lol: :lol: :lol: :lol:
Even more typical...
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