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« Reply #405 on: January 18, 2006, 09:10:00 PM »
If I knew my parent was on this forum doing what your doing I would seriously lose respect for him. This is funny and entertaining, but in a very sad way.
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« Reply #406 on: January 18, 2006, 09:14:00 PM »
ITS NOT A PARENT. USE COMMON SENSE. A PARENT WOULD NOT SPEND THEIR ENTIRE DAYS AND NIGHTS ON HERE ARGUING LIKE THIS. THIS IS THE SAME TROLL WHO TAKES ALL THREADS UP TO 50 PAGES PRETENDING TO BE A PARENT AND RUNNING CIRCULAR ARGUMENTS THAT JUST DEFLECT. THEY CANT SHUT FORNITS DOWN BUT THEY CAN DISTRACT AND TRY TO MESS WITH THIS BOARD THAT WAY. DONT THINK THE PROGRAM EMPLOYEES ARENT HERE.

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« Reply #407 on: January 18, 2006, 09:15:00 PM »
Let me get this straight. My very first post was very calm and just a simple praise of my son and what my experience was at Anchor. It was not condescending, it wasn't santimonous, it wasn't self righteous. Just a declaration of what I knew to be true.

Immediatly, I was called an idiot, pitiful, and whatever else the posters called me, and you call me a troll? Do you know the definition of a troll? It's one that posts ABUSIVE content in an internet forum. Imagine that, you ABUSIVE. I didn't write the definition.

Of course I'm going to call you out on what I believe to be false but it is pretty dag on comical that when anyone tries to input their experience and it's in direct conflict with your version of what the world is, you resort to name calling and vial profanity.


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"DONT WASTE YOUR TIME WITH THIS TROLL! HE DOES NOT HAVE A KID IN ANCHOR ACADEMY. ALL THIS PERSON WANTS IS ATTENTION -- DONT GIVE IT TO THEM.  ::troll::  THEY DESERVE YOUR PITY NOT YOUR TIME THEY DISTRACT FROM THE MORE IMPORTANT THREADS ON THIS FORUM. "
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« Reply #408 on: January 18, 2006, 09:16:00 PM »
EVEN IF THIS IS A PARENT THEY ARENT INTERESTED IN ANYTHING BUT SPOUTING THEIR PROPOGANDA. THEY ARE A DEFACTO EMPOLOYEE AND RECRUITER LIKE ANY GOOD CULT MEMBER. THEY DONT WANT INFORMATION THEY WANT TO PREACH. LET THEM PREACH TO THEMSELVES.

PERIOD.  


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« Reply #409 on: January 18, 2006, 09:17:00 PM »
Yep, I'm not a program employee. I'm a parent. Say what you will. Who is deflecting now? Give me the proof. Not up to the challenge?

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"ITS NOT A PARENT. USE COMMON SENSE. A PARENT WOULD NOT SPEND THEIR ENTIRE DAYS AND NIGHTS ON HERE ARGUING LIKE THIS. THIS IS THE SAME TROLL WHO TAKES ALL THREADS UP TO 50 PAGES PRETENDING TO BE A PARENT AND RUNNING CIRCULAR ARGUMENTS THAT JUST DEFLECT. THEY CANT SHUT FORNITS DOWN BUT THEY CAN DISTRACT AND TRY TO MESS WITH THIS BOARD THAT WAY. DONT THINK THE PROGRAM EMPLOYEES ARENT HERE.



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« Reply #410 on: January 18, 2006, 09:18:00 PM »
Preach? When did I preach? The majority of my posts are about my sons accomplishments and asking for proof of what you say is a FACT.

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"EVEN IF THIS IS A PARENT THEY ARENT INTERESTED IN ANYTHING BUT SPOUTING THEIR PROPOGANDA. THEY ARE A DEFACTO EMPOLOYEE AND RECRUITER LIKE ANY GOOD CULT MEMBER. THEY DONT WANT INFORMATION THEY WANT TO PREACH. LET THEM PREACH TO THEMSELVES.



PERIOD.  





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« Reply #411 on: January 18, 2006, 09:25:00 PM »
That, is the funniest thing I've read all day. Did you ever think that my work is based on the computer? Did you think maybe I work 18 hours a day and have the ability to watch the posts and type so fast that I make typo's? lol

You say I'm delusioned? You all really need to take a long hard look in the mirror. Step out of your self and re-read your posts from beginning to end.



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On 2006-01-18 18:14:00, Anonymous wrote:

"ITS NOT A PARENT. USE COMMON SENSE. A PARENT WOULD NOT SPEND THEIR ENTIRE DAYS AND NIGHTS ON HERE ARGUING LIKE THIS. THIS IS THE SAME TROLL WHO TAKES ALL THREADS UP TO 50 PAGES PRETENDING TO BE A PARENT AND RUNNING CIRCULAR ARGUMENTS THAT JUST DEFLECT. THEY CANT SHUT FORNITS DOWN BUT THEY CAN DISTRACT AND TRY TO MESS WITH THIS BOARD THAT WAY. DONT THINK THE PROGRAM EMPLOYEES ARENT HERE.



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« Reply #412 on: January 18, 2006, 09:27:00 PM »
Some say Brother Dennis truly believes this trolling is a form of free advertising. Does he really believe he can round up future "cadets" from this forum? What a laugh!
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« Reply #413 on: January 18, 2006, 09:37:00 PM »
Now if you want to use this forum for what it should be used for, to talk about your experience and how it affected you. To find support in your quest for understanding. I'm all for supporting someone when they are hurt. Giving them kind words when they need to hear it and lifting them up. But you have used this forum for an avenue to slander, and mislead other parents about one specific place that none of you have any empirical evidence about. So lets talk about your experience with the progrm you were in. Lets shut down those places and if and when it has been proven that someone else has commited a crime, then we focus on that problem, at that time.

If you can't identify with that, then you are the troll and you are the psycho and deep down you know it. You all had heated this forum up way before I got here.

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"Some say Brother Dennis truly believes this trolling is a form of free advertising. Does he really believe he can round up future "cadets" from this forum? What a laugh!"
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« Reply #414 on: January 18, 2006, 09:43:00 PM »
Bye Bye.......
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« Reply #415 on: January 18, 2006, 09:53:00 PM »
Now this is proof, and this is reason to shut down a facility.

http://fornits.com/wwf/viewtopic.php?to ... &forum=9&6
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« Reply #416 on: January 18, 2006, 10:12:00 PM »
And here is an example of an intelligent person who opposes programs with evidence and facts and helps parents make an informed decision. That my friends is true compasion.

Post URL: http://fornits.com/wwf/viewtopic.php?to ... t=0#163956[ This Message was edited by: corecrash on 2006-01-18 19:13 ]
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« Reply #417 on: January 18, 2006, 10:19:00 PM »
Corecrash,
After skimming through the thread, I must ask the obvious question. Why do you post here? Are you trying to change the minds of those who speak out against Anchor Academy?

Seriously, if you son is successful and you are both happy with the program, why not just ignore this forum and go live your happy lives together?  Why not just stay out of the muck?
 
As for me, I have never personally been involved with a program in any way. I have never met a survivor face-to-face (that I am aware of). I have no teenage children (mine is younger). I have never attended a program.

I found this forum by accident. I was looking up information on Outward Bound and ran into these programs. The more I read on the sites promoting the programs, the more alarmed I became. The red flags were everywhere, even to my untrained eye. My bullshit radar was sounding so loud I lost sleep for a few days. This reaction was from reading sites that promoted this sort of thing!

Even before finding Fornits I had decided that the only reason these programs can exist at all is for three reasons. First, teenagers have been stripped of their right to self determination. The laws that are designed to protect them work against them. This industry exists by exploiting the legal loopholes that deny teenagers some of the most basic rights that every adult takes for granted. More and more, teenagers are being infantilised and vilified (unjustly) by society at large. So this is an industry created for the sole reason of exploiting legal loopholes against young people. This industry does not and could not exist for adults simply because as adults, we would not tolerate this kind of treatment. It can only exist by exploiting a population segment that has no voice.

Second, there are parents who suffer from the illusion that they can (and should) control every facet of another human being's life. Control of this sort is an illusion, except in controlled prison-like environments.

The third reason is ignorance. The general population is in a get tough, 'spare the rod, spoil the child' mindset. This mindset dominates in spite of every mainstream psychologist and pretty much all credible research that has stated that coporal punishment and get tough approaches do more harm than good and leave lasting scars. People still fall for catchy phrases like 'three strikes...' which only serve to garner votes and fill prisons (and have no effect on crime rates). Catchy phrases are not exactly my idea of sound policy decisions.

We now live in a society where behavior is stuck between the moral righteousness of the neo-conservative right and the nanny state that will protect us from ourselves on the left. The concept of individual choice and freedom upon which the country was founded is quickly disappearing.

This alarms me. That is why I am here. Because it is my resonsibility to speak up when another's rights are being violated.
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« Reply #418 on: January 18, 2006, 11:14:00 PM »
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After skimming through the thread, I must ask the obvious question. Why do you post here? Are you trying to change the minds of those who speak out against Anchor Academy?



Seriously, if you son is successful and you are both happy with the program, why not just ignore this forum and go live your happy lives together?  Why not just stay out of the muck?

 

First, let me say that your post was very well written and has so much good content. If I may, let me tell you why I even started to post here. I rarely ever post on any forums contrary to be called a troll. .

My wife found this forum and told me to check it out. Therefore, I read the posts and thought I would give a positive outcome to the Anchor story. I was rather taken back by the barrage of name-calling and profanity that followed. I was also taken back by the lack of proof, for this particular program or its staff. I continued to post because I feel it is wrong to unjustly accuse someone without proof while the accusers label any form of success as proof of a deep seeded conspiracy.

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Even before finding Fornits I had decided that the only reason these programs can exist at all is for three reasons. First, teenagers have been stripped of their right to self determination. The laws that are designed to protect them work against them. This industry exists by exploiting the legal loopholes that deny teenagers some of the most basic rights that every adult takes for granted. More and more, teenagers are being infantilised and vilified (unjustly) by society at large. So this is an industry created for the sole reason of exploiting legal loopholes against young people. This industry does not and could not exist for adults simply because as adults, we would not tolerate this kind of treatment. It can only exist by exploiting a population segment that has no voice.



I agree with much of your assertions and certainly think there are many people that are afraid of youth and find it necessary to smoother it. I am not so sure it is as bleak as you seem to think. This is what I believe.

When a child is born, they begin their journey. As they develop, they explore and learn. From day one, it is our job to keep them safe and make sure they stay within acceptable and safe bounds, which can be different for each parent as we do live in a culturally diverse world.  

When the child moves to the next stage of their development, [stage for lack of a better term], the boundaries expand. They move from their play pen to the floor. From the floor to outside and eventually, they can ride their bike down the street, choose their friends, and so on.

Once the child reaches the teen years, they have ideas of right and wrong and can truly think on their own. Some are very intelligent and critical thinkers. Some teens will flirt with the edge of their known bounds just to see what happens, maybe not intentionally. Just because they are a teenager or just because they become a young adult, in my opinion, those bounds do not go away. I live within bounds still to this day and if I go outside of them continually, I'll be forced to stay inbounds. That is how our society works.

What happens then if a teenager begins to go further and further out of their bounds? As adults we loss our self-determination if we do it. Teens are people and I know teens that can think quicker, clearer, and can out wit me.

I do not advocate programs like the one in Florida that beat a kid to death. I also do not support the program that sat on a teenager while he begged for his inhaler and died from suffocation. They should be shut down and only the participants involved should be put behind bars for murder. Nevertheless, I am not going to accuse every single program based on something someone else did in another program. There are good programs and their intention is to help the LOW percentage of teens that need help. I happen to believe that Anchor is one of them because I have only positive proof and zero real negative proof. I have only the assertions of folks that have never even been to Anchor.

We need places for kids and adults for when they continually step beyond the bounds put in place by our society. If not then we have anarchy. Not to beat and murder them but to teach them what the acceptable bounds are and how to explore it.  I also believe that if a parent feels that Christianity is an acceptable solution then they can teach it. The child will untimely decide whether to adhere to it. That is the beauty of salvation. It is based on freewill. If there is a heaven or a hell, you choose freely where you end up.

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Second, there are parents who suffer from the illusion that they can (and should) control every facet of another human being's life. Control of this sort is an illusion, except in controlled prison-like environments.



All forms of control are illusions. That does not mean we settle for anarchy.

I think that you have an accurate picture of some of our society but again I don't think it's that bleak. I do not think everyone hates teens and wants to squash them.

I'm sorry if I misunderstood your general theme, that's what I thought I picked up on. I also do not want to give the impression I know it all. Those are my beliefs and who knows, after this experience they may change.

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This alarms me. That is why I am here. Because it is my resonsibility to speak up when another's rights are being violated.


In attmpt to have this not come across as sarcasm I'd like to say that it alarms me that the staff's rights at Anchor have been violated because many here have already tried and convicted them. [ This Message was edited by: corecrash on 2006-01-18 20:17 ]
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« Reply #419 on: January 18, 2006, 11:15:00 PM »
I think I am in love!!!! Just kidding.......but I second what Atomic Ant said!
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f you were never in a program, or a parent of a child in a program, then you have no business posting here.