Treatment Abuse, Behavior Modification, Thought Reform > World Wide Association of Specialty Programs and Schools (WWASPS)
MURDER and SUICIDES
Anonymous:
--- Quote ---On 2005-09-26 18:12:00, Nonconformistlaw wrote:
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--- Quote --- On 2005-09-26 16:24:00, Anonymous wrote:
"these kids are not victims of the program! they made stupid choices! if the program CAUSES suicide, i'd be dead, i was in samoa with sutton, and corey, and aside from being a drug addict, im doing fine. by the way, i dont blame being in pc or casa for my daily drug use, i blame me. bola"
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--- Quote ---On 2005-09-26 17:47:00, Anonymous wrote:
"did i see kids hog tied? crying them selves to sleep in the box? getting scabies?
YES YES AND YES. add to scabies: ringworm, boils, and pinkeye. ok and i was in "iso", short for isolation, many times. hog tied? you forgot duct taped. but you know what, if i had to do it all over again, i would!!! it was tough, sure, but i lived through it! and im a better person today because of it. bola"
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So, Anon, if I understand you correctly, because of your stupid decision making before the program, you deserved to be mistreated and abused, and your past failures justified the program in inflicting child abuse, medical neglect, and emotional abuse upon you?
And you are a better person today because you endured torture, humiliation, abuse, and neglect?
I'm confused, but are you actually suggesting that because you are "ok" now that it is ok to abuse children who have made poor choices?
I'm sorry...but no matter what a child does...none deserve to be mistreated, abused, tortured, neglected, etc. in order to become a "better person." You anon, did not deserve such inhumane treatment either...no matter how bad your personal decision making was. You were a victim of child abuse, not treatment."
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Well said. No child deserves to be abused because they were not "behaviorally" correct (B.C.)
I hope these teens (now adults) understand this so the cycle of abuse disguised as TOUGHLOVE is broken.
OverLordd:
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did i see kids hog tied? crying them selves to sleep in the box? getting scabies?
YES YES AND YES. add to scabies: ringworm, boils, and pinkeye. ok and i was in "iso", short for isolation, many times. hog tied? you forgot duct taped. but you know what, if i had to do it all over again, i would!!! it was tough, sure, but i lived through it! and im a better person today because of it. bola
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Thats really sick. I cannot believe you, you simply must of lost your humanity. You think that because this happened to you your a better person? damn you need help... you cannot seriously tell me if your parents decided to do it to you again that you would go with it.
--- Quote --- these kids are not victims of the program! they made stupid choices! if the program CAUSES suicide, i'd be dead, i was in samoa with sutton, and corey, and aside from being a drug addict, im doing fine. by the way, i dont blame being in pc or casa for my daily drug use, i blame me. bola
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i still think this is the same person. Its a really foolish idea to think that being abused is ok, and being abused does not cause emotional pain. the program can indeed cause suicide in some people because its emotionally painful, and some people are not as strong as you are.
Bola:
i think im being misunderstood. or perhaps people are putting words in my mouth. if you read what i read, i never said abuse was ok. paradise cove is shut down, and for the better. all im trying to say is that we ex-students of these programs dont need to let our stays negatively impact our lives. life is rough, not just inside a program.
Bola:
"So, Anon, if I understand you correctly, because of your stupid decision making before the program, you deserved to be mistreated and abused, and your past failures justified the program in inflicting child abuse, medical neglect, and emotional abuse upon you?"
you apparently dont understand me correctly.
"And you are a better person today because you endured torture, humiliation, abuse, and neglect?"
do you think torture, humiliation, abuse, and neglect are found nowhere in society except the program? were you there? i sure as hell was. i never claim to have been tortured or abused. the bad things i experienced in samoa were very minor compared with adult life.
"I'm confused, but are you actually suggesting that because you are "ok" now that it is ok to abuse children who have made poor choices?"
I never once said that!!!
Nonconformistlaw:
--- Quote ---On 2005-09-27 16:43:00, Bola wrote:
"And you are a better person today because you endured torture, humiliation, abuse, and neglect?"
do you think torture, humiliation, abuse, and neglect are found nowhere in society except the program? were you there? i sure as hell was. i never claim to have been tortured or abused. the bad things i experienced in samoa were very minor compared with adult life.
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Ummm...I was subjected to an abusive facility called Straight Inc. Yes this is a different program. And in 20 years, all the crap I have had to deal with as an adult pales in comparison to the horrors I witnessed in Straight. As an adult, I've overcome personal tragedies including death of a close family member, death of an unborn child, a couple brushes with death and other numerous bad experiences, which I have put behind me. BUT NOTHING compares to my time in that hellish program...it was far worse than "real life." And from what I've read about your program and other overseas hell-holes...where you were was worse than where I was.
I dont know if you realize this...but forcing a child to witness abuse IS a form of child abuse (IE. terrorizing tactic). No one has to lay a hand on you to abuse you. Constant verbal assault (IE. repeated confrontation), humilitation, and extreme coercion in various forms (IE. the threat of being hog tied to force student compliance), and medical neglect (there is a serious problem with an environment where scabies and ringworm are rampant) ARE forms of child abuse. By your admission, you at the very least witnessed abuse. If you were verbally assaulted, you were abused. If any medical condition was created by the envirnment or was left untreated by the program, you were abused. If you were hog tied, you were physically abused. The constant threat of severe punishments to force your compliance, is psychological abuse. I dont care how often these things happen it is ALWAYS unacceptable, it damages children, and MUST be eradicated from society.
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