On 2005-11-30 16:29:00, Anonymous wrote:
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I am not saying the school is the only person that can be believed, I am saying we simply don't know what the school representatives discussed with the hospital outside of earshot of the student....and so can't jump to any conclusions about medical treatment and abuse.
I totally agree that if they weren't, the family should have been notified. I don't agree that Hyde was medically derelict or abusive of the student.
And FWIW, having watched enough Jerry Springer, if she started a fight and, for instance, caused injury to another person or this was otherwise somehow potentially a liability issue, then I imagine a family saying all sorts of things to protect itself and deflect from the primary issue.
All that goes to say is, I don't buy that there are no facts where the back-story could be relevant."
Oh please, are you for real? This girl did not start the fight, (I was there as well as many others) nor was there a liability issue. The parents simply felt it was wrong they could not find out how their daughter was nor were they notified immediately!
Do you also think it is ok that the former Headmaster at Woodstock used to allow underage kids to serve liquor at their private parties! Yes, I do have proof of this from other teachers as well as a couple of students who served the beer and wine as part of their job for the night!
Sorry, but IMHO this school is full of hypocricies!!
You have a very vivid imagination re the girl who was hit with a bottle. I guess it is from watching too much Jerry Springer! "
If you look at my first statement on this, I propose the concept that the student and parent involved could not possible know what was communicated between the school and the hospital, rendering any conclusions about the schools behavior unwarranted.
THEN -- and I questioned even including this because I knew someone would latch onto this and skip over the fundamental problem with the abuse allegation itself -- I threw out that there were at least plausible scenarios about the fight that might be relevant, so would want to check in there as well.
Your response suggests that everyone should know that these scenarios weren't possible, and were the product of a vivid imagination.
Well here's the thing. There was a time when I accepted what was told to me without questioning it. Truth be told, I still even have a tendency this way.
But do you want to know who taught me not to take things on face value and to question everything? Joe Gauld.
You see, one day a student asked him the meaning of something that he was talking about and Joe looked up and asked the parents and students in the room what they thought it meant. When he realized that virtually no one in a room understood part of what he was saying, he was a astounded that we would sit there, pretending as if we understood, but really too afraid to speak up.
He then shifted the discussion to the general concept of asking questions when you don't understand something, even if you think you might be the only one in the room who doesn't get it.
Anyway, its hard to convey the intensity of the experience, but I can tell you, I will never forget that day, and that was just one of many days where the teachings of Joe Gauld rocked my world.
In this case, it was as if Joe was saying Wake the Fuck Up. Life isn't a dress rehearsal. And you don't have time to go through it pretending you get something when you don't, so ask questions and challenge everything until you get it.
That is what he taught. That is what I try and practice to this day.
I know many of the cool-aid posters will jump and give negative interpretations, but I daresay I wasn't the only one in the room who learned an important life's lesson that day.
