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Ft. Lauderdale:
Jalong,
I'm sorry for your suffering.  I'm also glad you are healing.

Greg,
Please don't sensationalize.  Jalong said she had PTSD before she came in. Her abuser was  not a known sexual predator.  He was an asshole and a kid himself (I'm not making excuses for him )He did an inexcusable act and I'm sure none of this was known at the time.

Jalong,
I would not have wanted to be in your shoes sitting in the group with him right there either.

[ This Message was edited by: Ft. Lauderdale on 2005-09-22 08:01 ]

Antigen:
Lauderdale, who put that kid and other questionable characters in positions of authority over all those nonconsenting other kids? Think it was all Bruce's idea? That, somehow, he flew in under the "awareness" radar and scammed his way onto staff? I bet it wasn't even his idea. When staff asked me if I wanted to go on staff, it was an offer one couldn't refuse.

Seems there's a lot you didn't see going on. Forced strip searches are violence. Tackling someone for trying to walk away is violence. If these thing never happened in The Seed, then why was I expecting them when I landed up in Straight? Why was I not the least bit surprised to see someone thrown to the floor and sat on for refusing to say they were addicts and thankful for the "help"?

I can guess why cause I succumbed to it myself to a degree. We called that love. We repeated to ourselves and each other constantly that we did these violent things to each other out of love. Failure to adopt that perspective was just asking for a heaping helping of "love" yourself.

When I first got out, I couldn't sort my mind out about it well enough to even make a statement to law enforcement about the time I got sat on then bounced off the walls of a timeout room for awhile. At the time, in my mind, it was my fault. After all, I had a choice. I could have lied and said I was sorry for trying to get away. So I chose to get my ass kicked, right?

But it's been years and years. You still think it's a loving act to tackle someone who's trying to get away from you? Or have you actually blocked those incidents from your memory?

All religion is dumb. It's one big story they're feeding you so you'll  behave on Earth. If there is a god, then he's a prick.
--Howard Stern, American radio personality
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wtaylorg:
I myself was never really physically abused. At least not in the traditional use of the term. I was pounced on a few times and could feel the hate coming from peoples eyes often enough. The abuse that was delivered to me was a systematic taking away of liberty and desire.

That being said, 2 former very good friends of mine both Seed kids and graduates of the program, told me about instances of rape that occurred to them whileon the program. This was while I was still involved with the program, early 80's, Both instances happened at foster homes by oldcomers/timers. One of the guys that had this happen to them has never seemed right. I lost track of him some yrs ago, but I hope he found therapy or a way to put it behind him.

I know the instances were brought to staff and the person was told to get over it. In what words I'm not sure. I suspect staff told them it was "not important".

It's just another example of  the debasing treatment we all received in way form or another.

GregFL:
Sensationalize?  Are you freaken kidding me?

How in the world could anything I say be more "sensational" than the words of a 16 year old girl, being held captive in a drug rehab with her rapist as one of the people in charge?  Know wonder she had PTSD before she went to the seed, and no wonder it worsened while she was there.

Sensationalize?

Get a grip...

GregFL:

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My god I don't get your vendetta.  


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Why must you assume I even have one?  Consider this..I have spent a considerable amount of my time and effort to make a place where the people I supposedly have a vendetta against could feel comfortable telling their side of the story, you included.

Why must everything and everyone be framed in black and white here?  

My personal feelings about the program is that it was generally harmfull. I have studied what it was, how it was done, who dun it and where it headed. It is of general interest to me. I love the topic, and I enjoy the people who get something out of the forum.

Sue me if you don't like it. There are several lawyers right here on the forum to choose from.

 :grin:

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