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Another note to John Underwood

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GregFL:
I remember several 9 year old kids in group in St Pete for Druggie attitudes. I have vivid memories of these little kids standing up and "relating" in group.

It was a pathetic abusive display, to have these little children locked up in a smoking swearing stinking warehouse. I don't ever remember anyone being turned away during my stay. But hey, it could of happened.

Instead, I think the truly devoted thought and still think the seed was a good dose of medicine for all.

cleveland:
FueLaw, Marc...

You are speaking with some 'true believers' here, and no evidence or testimony will likely cause them to reconsider their position, because it is based on faith not reason...

You will only be seen as 'the enemy' and your own sanity and motives will be questioned.

I don't think that many of those who are 'true believers' are interested in a conversation, unless you agree with them. They will not take kindly to dissent.

And I do not believe their motivations are wholly wrong. After all, many people here can testify to their own success in beating drugs, and the failures of others. And many people were idealistic about the Seed and this clearly carries thru. However, if you question them it is evident that you will be put in the postion of being the enemy.

Don't let it happen. Speak your truth dispassionately. I urge John, Robin and others to do the same. Open you hearts and eyes and listen and learn, we all have a lot to contribute.

The Seed and it's variants come from a long history of revival groups in America that where lead or started by charismatic people, and were based on faith, and sought to convert others, and did not tolerate dissent...it goes back at least to the 1920s. Isn't that intersting to you? Dont; you think our experience with the Seed has positive things to say about faith and idealism, and equally negative things to say about comformity and fascism.

Keepin' it real,

Walter

Anonymous:
right above your post fuelaw states:
"Underwood,please just stick around over the next few weeks, I along with others, will demonstrate by any reasonable standard that you were one of the most dispicable dishonest gutless human beings to ever trod the face of the earth. There is not doubt in my mind that you are evil to the core and fundamentally dishonest and I'll prove it."
again i must ask is this the adult mature dialogue that you refer to?

FueLaw:
Taken in it's proper context the language and allegations are very mild. Torturing children is serious business. It is undisputed that John Underwood totured thousands of children. He is a disgrace to all decent people wherever they roam.

Like I said before he is a phoney and fraud, he has no balls all he could ever do was inject herion into his body and pick on little kids who could barely fight back.

Anonymous:
fuelaw, again:
"It is undisputed that John Underwood totured thousands of children."
i don't know how to break this to you fue but it's disputed regularly right here but please do keep it up
comic relief helps all of us in troubled times

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