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Anonymous:

--- Quote ---On 2005-09-22 12:30:00, Antigen wrote:

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On 2005-09-22 12:26:00, Gutless Bastard wrote:


"I would  have to agree with the previous poster's cult conclusion."


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No, this is a cult:



http://www.algamus.com/
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Wanna bet?

Antigen:
I'll take a chance...
Ardent advocates of prohibition were obsessed by a zeal that bordered on fanaticism. They supported politicians who voted to outlaw liquor, no matter how much of it they privately consumed, and spurned politicians who voted against prohibition, no matter how sober they were personally.
Sen. Sam Ervin, Preserving The Constitution
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Antigen:
How about International Primal Association?

If you honestly don't know then I think you should ask Rick before you get any more comfy in bed w/ him.


A man is accepted into a church for what he believes and he is turned out for what he knows.
--Samuel Clemens "Mark Twain", American author and humorist
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GregFL:

--- Quote ---On 2005-09-22 12:38:00, John Underwood wrote:

"Hello again Marshall,

I have no doubt whatsoever that The Seed changed, in my opinion, for the worse after I left. As I've written about, it started well before that. And it is not that I don't believe much of what's written regarding the rule changes, etc, I do, it's  just that because I wasn't there, I feel my conmmenting about it is inappropriate, or rather it's more appropriate to hear about from people who were there. And you are absolutely write when you state that much of the rhetoric here loses meaning, lends itself to misinterpretation, because there were so many different Seeds (and I mean in the context you do, not physically). And I was only there for 6 1/2 years. An example, The Seed at Cleveland v. early Andrews Ave., anyone who experienced both knows the differences dwarfed the similarities in no small degree.

I feel like I'm shortchanging you again, but I really do have to go. But as promised previously, we will continue this dialogue.

John"

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Now here we have some common ground to agree on John...

except not all the changes were for the worse. For example, no longer were nine year to 14 year old children having their anal, vaginal and penal areas examined by staff and then  being held against their will for being "dry druggies" or possessing "druggie attitudes", removed from their homes and forced into compliance. This was a step in the right direction IMO.

Going further, some of the extreme regimentation disapeared. No longer were raps really 12 hour indoctrination sessions from 10 to 10 but instead became more relaxed.  Even further, someone posted about playing tennis with their oldcomer in the later years. IMAGINE THAT!!!!!!

But on the inverse, when the sheer size of the seed diminished, the true nature of one Art Barker started shining thru loud and clear, and as new recruits started drying up, those left were encouraged to stick around and were having major smoke blown up their arses about being "chosen" and all that other cultie lovie dovie coercise stuff.

Yes the seed changed, and I will reiterate again..the Seed I was involved with in 1973 was a nuthouse.  the later on was a nuthouse also, just a different brand.

GregFL:

--- Quote ---On 2005-09-22 11:12:00, Ft. Lauderdale wrote:

"Now I really know that you have no idea of what you are talking about.  People never even swore at an open meeting.  That was even one of the rules.  


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Oh, I remember one particular instance where a kid got screamed at and cursed at in an open meeting in St Pete. The kid after his parents said something to him said something rude back, and one of the staff members yanked the mike away from him and started yelling at him. All the hands in group shot up and down..clickety clickety and all that, but thankfully no one got called on to complete the impromtu "come down on" session in front of the parents.

Major red flag BTW ...When the rules change and behavior is tempered in front of "outsiders".

Think about that.

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