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cleveland:
Quote from Marshall:
"This may even offer a basis for agreement as to certain critiques of the program. For example, what do you think of the requirement that everyone remain on their program...for life...never graduating? Of needing Art's approval as to who you could choose to date or marry? Staff pressuring people to have abortions? Determining what sort of job / career was permissable to you? Dividing men and women as to 'manly' work / hobbies and woman's work? Men being told that studying art was for sissies or women? The forming of an inner circle or clique?"
Amen. All of that I personally experienced. As a 25 year old guy, supposedly a 'Seedling' in good standing, being told what to do or not do, always in fear of being rejected, clearing everything with staff, being told that I wasn't worthy of a relationship, being told that friends of mine who suddenly disappeared were 'full of shit,' being told that I was an 'intellectual asshole,' or that 'opinions are like assholes, everyone has them,' or 'ours is not question why, ours is but to do or die' - after a while, this outweighed the commeraderie and 'esrit de corps' that drew me into the Seed, despite my misgivings.
Anonymous:
Antigen, that happened a couple of times and that may have occured before JU ever came on the program. That was Lybbi's parents property-I believe.
John Underwood:
Marshall,
I promise I will respond to this post and others of your's as soon as I can, I just don't have time right now. Sorry.
Antigen:
--- Quote ---On 2005-09-21 09:39:00, John Underwood wrote:
Working 80-90, sometimes 100+ hours per week, never in 6 years having more that one day a week off, never having one single day off for almost 3 years. Being called in the middle of the night and told to get in my car and drive to St. Pete, being called in the middle of the night and told to drive back to Ft. Lauderdale, driving back and forth between Ft. Pierce and Ft. Laud. every single day, being called (this night I remember well for personal reasons) around 1:00 a.m. and being told to make the 6:50 a.m. flight to Cleveland. Ahhh...to frolick and play.
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Honestly, John, do you think you or anybody could possibly have been thinking clearly while keeping up w/ that kind of grind ?
Everybody's lost just waiting to be found. Everyone's a thought just waiting to fade.
-- Billy Corgan of The Smashing Pumpkins
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John Underwood:
Ginger,
No I don't. As I told Greg when we spoke on the phone, burn-out, though not the primary reason, was definitely a contributing factor to my leaving.
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