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Anonymous:

--- Quote ---On 2006-06-15 16:05:00, Pls help wrote:

"if the choice is between urinating on yourself (a punishment in itself)& then being punished, or being hated by your peers, How grotesque is that. I am beginning to think that the reason why kids are not believed when their teachers (or whoever those people who call the parents are) say they are lying is because what is done to them is so outlandishly horrible it does not seem believable. To be honest if my kid told me that they made him urinate on himself I would have a hard time believing it.  

Dont kids who are disrespectful (whatever that is exactly) need adults who are firm but fair. Most of these BTS sites talk about consequences for misbehaviour but the consequences are so illogical anyway that if your kid is in for something genuinely awful, i cant see how he would associate the consequence with whatever it is that he or she did. I also can not see how a kid with anger management issues would not be seething with rage if he is forced to do something as base and disgusting as urinating on himself!



The irony to me is that american kids are statistically no more drug addled, pregnant ot "troubled" than their peers in other western countries. They are also more likely to be church going. This makes me wonder if the kids who are even slightly outside of the box are seen by society as more "out of control" than they really are. Moreover having worked with mainstream American kids (and i am aware that they are not the "troubled" category that is spoken of in this industry)I foung that in some ways they are more polite and respectful to grown ups than their Australian counterparts. I can't tell you for instance, how much i had to bite back laughter the first time a kid called me maam! If a kid did that at home it would be laced with sarcasm!"

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That is all pretty much true. I spent the past 16 years living in and around New York City and was impressed by how nice most of the kids were. The fact is that, statistically, the current generation of kids do fewer drugs, smoke less, have less sex, and commit fewer crimes than my generation did.

It is the parents that are out of control with their stupid zero-tolerance policies and this drive to have perfect kids. There has been a huge cultural shift during my lifetime and it ain't good.

Anonymous:
That is all pretty much true. I spent the past 16 years living in and around New York City and was impressed by how nice most of the kids were. The fact is that, statistically, the current generation of kids do fewer drugs, smoke less, have less sex, and commit fewer crimes than my generation did.



That is the other irony about an industry obsessed with taking kids away from a "worldly' envoronment. The other thing i remember about working with American Kids was their innocence. Being from a country where blasphemy is a cultural norm, & cynicism a way of life, I once made the error of casually using the word "hell" in front of the 12 year old Texan kids i worked with. (as in hurry up you guys. What the hell do you think this is)You would have thought I said something truly obscene. There was an audible gasp of horror.  :lol:

Anonymous:

--- Quote ---On 2006-06-16 02:52:00, Anonymous wrote:

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That is all pretty much true. I spent the past 16 years living in and around New York City and was impressed by how nice most of the kids were. The fact is that, statistically, the current generation of kids do fewer drugs, smoke less, have less sex, and commit fewer crimes than my generation did.






That is the other irony about an industry obsessed with taking kids away from a "worldly' envoronment. The other thing i remember about working with American Kids was their innocence. Being from a country where blasphemy is a cultural norm, & cynicism a way of life, I once made the error of casually using the word "hell" in front of the 12 year old Texan kids i worked with. (as in hurry up you guys. What the hell do you think this is)You would have thought I said something truly obscene. There was an audible gasp of horror.  :lol: "

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there are well behaved kids and bad kids no matter what generation you lived in.  i dont know about you...but where i live the kids have no respect for their elders or property and think they have a right of passage wherever they go and a sense of entitlement that is wrong.

Oz girl:
Of course not every kid anywhere is a saint,and i am aware that i take aglass 1/2 full approach to people, but I am unaware of any other country in the western world which has private schools or camps primarily designed to either modify or punish kids.

The culture that the websites seem to push particularly Thayer is that if your kid is misbehaving they can either "Modify" them or in extreme cases punish them till they become different people. As well as the obvious things like drug abuse often "A sense of entitlement" or "disrespect" are seen as illnesses that need to be cured. Surely this can be done at home. If a parent has genuinely indulges a kid too much why don't they just stop doing it, and make the kid aware of the plight of someone less well off than them. If the kid is consistently rude by all means penalise this but place the emphasis back on encouraging kids to live within a community not in some detention camp where they are bullied until they urinate on themselves or told that they need fixing and until they are better they do not deserve their families love!

Also why does anyone have the right to try and modify somebody elses personality? All people have good and bad qualities so why not place the emphasis on what is good about your kid. If a kid is materialistic then have them get a summer job where they can save for their first car. It will furnish their ambitions and teach them a work ethic.
If your kid is into "wicca" (another thing that seems to be viewed as evil by many of these programmes) then they are probably creative and a questioner. Find out what it is that they believe in, help them to channel that intellect and get to know their wierdly dressed friends. Who knows? you may just find that they are polite, decent kids who read a lot and are searching for a belief system. it may just be that they like the goth look!
But sending kids to a place that forces them to piss on themselves is not about building a better community! It does not teach anyone to respect their"elders" It just teaches kids that adults are sociopathic bullies and they should obey for their own safety till they are big enough to do the bullying.

Anonymous:
i totally agree with you.  camps and behavior mod schools are not really helping anyone besides the owner's pocketbooks.  i especially think that making a kid drink so much watch and not enough potty breaks so that they piss themselevs is just sick and very wrong.  i do agree that parents need to start parenting and take control of their teens and never ever to send them to schools like tlc.

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