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especially for Marshall, Greg,
Antigen:
--- Quote ---On 2005-09-20 02:27:00, Thom wrote:
My comment, although a bit on the sarcastic side, was not intended as an insult, but a suggestion.
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Bullshit. It was an insult.
A slipping gear could let your M203 grenade launcher fire when you least expect it. That would make you quite unpopular in what's left of your unit.
-- In the August 1993 issue, page 9, of PS magazine, the Army's magazine of preventive maintenance
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Antigen:
Here's a nice first step for all former staffers. What if you were to apologize for just one thing; say the forced strip searches? You must, by now, have come to terms w/ the fact that that was pretty fucked up and unneccesarry, right? Never mind talking about the real reasons why they do that unless and until you're ready. But if you could just be bigger people than the smirking chimp and just admit w/ some sincerity that that one crime you committed over and over again was wrong, that might help things a little.
Infidel: In New York, one who does not believe in the Christian religion, in Constantinople, one who does.
--Ambrose Bierce
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Stripe:
--- Quote ---On 2005-09-20 02:27:00, Thom wrote:
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On 2005-09-20 01:55:00, Anonymous wrote:
"another stepper steps up to the plate to insult someone they don't agree with.
You guys collectively need a real strong mirror."
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So....let me get this straight. Only non-steppers are qualified to insult people today? I find your comment insulting. This is what I was refering to.
--- Quote ---I challenge you this, John Underwood: Look at your life and tell me why are all those whom you have identified in such states of misfortune? What is it about YOU that brings, swirls, and holds all of this misfortune, sadness, death and confusion to you and the lives of those you touch? That's where you need to look.
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The suggestion that John is responsible for the death and imprisonment of his high school friends is at best unfounded and at worst a statement from a confused mind that could probably use some help sorting things out. My comment, although a bit on the sarcastic side, was not intended as an insult, but a suggestion.
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What I suggested is way beyond the step-craft that soaks some of the minds here. For starters, one has to look inside first to see why the life surrounding them is so messy. It's not messy because everyone didn't go to the seed. I see from the responses that I was putting too much information out there and was wrong to expect anything but what I got in return. My bad. (See how easy it is to admit a mistake?)
Life gets messy and people die or meet with varying levels of misfortune because of choices we make in our own lives: choices like whether or not to stike a wife or loved one. Everything you or I do affects those around us. Nothing we do ever occurs in a vaccume. It would be nice if we could isolate the bad effects, but we can't.
And perhaps, just maybe, your behavior or John's behavior, maybe over the years you have influenced the choices that these poor unforutnates made. Maybe, just maybe, on some level you might be responsible for some, NOT ALL, but some of the bad outcome.
There is no way you can attribute all the bad things that happened to those folks to not being "in a program" or on a program. That's stupid. That's just as stupid as you getting the idea that I was saying John is "responsible for the death and imprisonment of his high school friends."
Antigen:
--- Quote ---On 2005-09-20 02:27:00, Thom wrote:
The suggestion that John is responsible for the death and imprisonment of his high school friends is ...
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...precisely as rediculous as to suggest that anyone's troubles ever derived from failure to embrace the Seed or stepcraft or any other cult. I think that was the point.
The only difference between me and a madman is that I am not mad.
-- Salvador Dali
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Seed Chicklett `71 - `80
Straight, Sarasota
10/80 - 10/82
Apostate 10/82 -
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Thom:
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What I suggested is way beyond the step-craft that soaks some of the minds here.
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I'm thankful to you for putting that disclaimer at the beginning of your post. It explains to me, a stepper, why the logic in much of what you write after it eludes me. I have appearantly, as I believe you suggest, been mentally crippled by these wretched 12 steps.....woe is me.... Oh, Enlightened one.... what must I do to be saved from this evil spell witch (intentional spelling humor) has been cast over me?
Please let me know which of the folowing items is offensive to you, and I'll see what I can do about getting it/them customized for you. Don't bother with the God steps. He is pretty much set on them. (the rest of them look pretty much like what you are asking John to do!....say, you're not some kind of double-agent, are you?) :scared:
THE TWELVE STEPS (generic version)
1. We admitted we were powerless over
whatever?that our lives had become unmanageable.
2. Came to believe that a Power greater
than ourselves could restore us to sanity.
3. Made a decision to turn our will and our
lives over to the care of God as we understood
Him.
4. Made a searching and fearless moral
inventory of ourselves.
5. Admitted to God, to ourselves and to
another human being the exact nature of our
wrongs.
6. Were entirely ready to have God remove
all these defects of character.
7. Humbly asked Him to remove our shortcomings.
8. Made a list of all persons we had harmed,
and became willing to make amends to them
all.
9. Made direct amends to such people
wherever possible, except when to do so
would injure them or others.
10. Continued to take personal inventory
and when we were wrong promptly admitted
it.
11. Sought through prayer and meditation
to improve our conscious contact with God, as
we understood Him, praying only for knowledge
of His will for us and the power to carry
that out.
12. Having had a spiritual awakening as the
result of these steps, we tried to carry this
message to addicts, and to practice these
principles in all our affairs.
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