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« on: September 17, 2005, 09:57:00 AM »
My father worked at Arizona Boys Ranch for nearly a decade even when all this "abuse" investigations went on. I grew up around that ranch in Oracle and the ranch branch in Williams. NEVER ONCE did I EVER witness abuse or even signs of abuse to these boys. They took field trips, had fairs and carnivals, and had one of very best football teams in the state (many of the players went on to college with full scholarships after graduation). They also received the best education-I didnt even receive the quality of education that these boys did. i am sick of the millions of biased websites out there that have no clue what goes on at these ranches. Have you forgotten why these teens are there in the first place?? Most are criminals-Juvenile delinquents!!! They have comitted horiffic crimes and the state decided that this ranch offered them a second chance. However, just sending them there doesn't automatically change their personalitites-they must be taught. They arrive at the ranch thinking they are immortal and that they will never change. I have seen these boys, who think they are men, attempt to run away, harm staff members, vandalize property.....but within day, weeks, sometimes months, they learn respect and appreciation. I think these organizations have the best of intentions and are extremely beneficial. There have only been two accidental deaths associated with ABR. (Now don't reply to me with facts about these deaths and say I don't know what I'm talking about. I have been researching these allegations and have read EVERYTHING related to the cases-reports, case files, autopsy reports, interviews, etc) The first death was caused by the own child's stupidity-he dove into a canal attempting to run away. Canals have strong currents and can travel for miles underground without resurfacing. He essentially comitted suicide by diving into it. Nick C. died during PT. Numerous times that day he acted as if he was passed out in efforts to escape his daily training. This caused him to receive additional PT and when he had actually passed out, staff memebers had no reason to believe he wasn't faking once again. Now it is true, he was sick but the ranch had excellent facilities for the sick and injured, and was treated several occassions. Now there are extremely elaborate stories of how Nick was treated before his death. These lies are not what the detectives discovered while investigating the ranch, but simply that-lies told by the boys there. So our justice system and public are choosing to believe these teenage criminals instead of staff members and witness--most of the staff memebrs at ABR have worked in our nation's military and law enforcement agencies. These stories of such horendous violence is not typical of brave men who courageously defend our innocence and freedom. Please note that all charges against ABR staff memebers reguarding Nick's death have been dropped or dismissed. Now if they were truely guilty, the State of AZ wouldn't have dropped the charges. And do not even attempt to say I am only here defending my father and the work he did there because that its true. My father and I are estranged, the reasons of our strained relationship has nothing to do with ABR and frankly, you need no more details. ABR has helped thousands of young men with their program. Maybe we should focus on the positive outcomes from this organization.
These boys' parents need to learn how to be better parents themselves. If they knew how to discipline their own children and had stricter household expectations, then these boys wouldn't need to be relocated to these disciplinary schools. Maybe we should look more to help for these parents in order to help these children.
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« Reply #1 on: September 17, 2005, 11:41:00 AM »
I have just one word for you:

BULLSHIT.

Nick Contreras is dead.  He can't speak nor defend himself against your allegations that he is somehow to blame for his own death.

If you study this industry you will discover few, if any, program owners and operators have been held accountable for fatalities.  The notable exception being Chuck Long II, who was convicted and is serving 6 years for the tortuous death of Tony Haynes, 14 (Buffalo Soldiers ReEnactment Association, ARIZONA).

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« Reply #2 on: September 17, 2005, 11:45:00 AM »
Well, there you have it--- the son of a counselor said there was no abuse. Go back to sleep, nothing to see here folks.. it's all over. The issue has been solved--- the son of a counselor has set us all straight.  :roll:

Like it was said above. BULLSHIT.
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« Reply #3 on: September 17, 2005, 03:43:00 PM »
Like I have said, I have thoroughly researched the cases surrounding the Arizona Boys Ranch. I frankly am not considered about any other ranch where fatalities have occurred--just ABR, so don't go off about other facilities cause I have not researched cases surrounding these facilities. But I know what I am talking about. The state has chosen not to prosecute the staff members because obviously the state finds them not at fault. And I believe as Americans we have the right to be innocence until PROVEN guilty. The state believes they are not able to even be changed, let alone guilty.
Oh, and FYI, I am the DAUGHTER of an ex-staff member. But you just ASSUME--you didn't know so you just assume, makes me wonder what else you have ASSUMED to be true in these cases. If you don't know information to 100% fact, you shouldn't address the topic at all. The same is true for these cases.
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« Reply #4 on: September 17, 2005, 05:54:00 PM »
:wstupid:  :wstupid:  :wstupid:

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« Reply #5 on: September 17, 2005, 08:43:00 PM »
FOR SEVERAL WEEKS before he died on March 2, 1998, Nicholaus Contreraz, age 16, was suffering from diarrhea and continuous vomiting. For days before his death, he was then made to carry around a trash can containing his vomit and the clothes he had defecated in.

Hours before he died, he was required to stretch out in a "hold" position with his feet on a desk and his face over a bucket of his own vomit.

Moments before he died, he was put into a wheelbarrow and required to make the sounds of an "ambulance." He was being wheeled to a volleyball game and, because he could not stand, the staff "assisted" him in getting the ball over the net.

At the moment of Nicholaus? death, staff threw a bucket of water on him.... They told him "it's all in your head." When he didn't respond, they took a closer look. He was dead.

An autopsy showed 2 1/2 quarts of pus in his partially collapsed left lung.

Abused children, whether privately incarcerated or in public facilities have no voice. Even when an event such as the death of a child occurs, they are afraid to tell what they know for fear of retribution. At the Arizona Boy's Camp, police department records show how hundreds of hours of onsite interviews failed to turn up anything more than suspicions... until finally the truth began to emerge. Children at the camp were afraid to tell the police how the staff tortured and humiliated Nicholas Contreraz until he died in agony.

Source:  http://www.teenliberty.org

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« Reply #6 on: September 18, 2005, 12:15:00 AM »
Wow... What a devlopment... I dont check for a few hours and see what pops up.

Look daughter... I will call you that because you did not post your name or get a log in and there are so many anons.

Well daughter. You fucked up. I'm sorry, but in speaking up you brought up a horror second to none. Look at how the boy died. Look at what happened to him. Does that seem like it was his fault? Does that seem like its ok daughter? PT is hard, there is no arguing that, yet I say to you, that no one should be afraid of taking it, and no one should die doing it.
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« Reply #7 on: September 18, 2005, 01:07:00 AM »
Did he really die like that or is that some sensationalized story to shock?  I just find it hard to believe that if that's what really happened that no one was held responsible.  Is there something that is credible that we can read, not newspaper sensationalism?
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« Reply #8 on: September 18, 2005, 09:08:00 AM »
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On 2005-09-17 22:07:00, Anonymous wrote:

"Did he really die like that or is that some sensationalized story to shock?  I just find it hard to believe that if that's what really happened that no one was held responsible.  Is there something that is credible that we can read, not newspaper sensationalism?  "

This is just one page of ten pages of search results...

The slow, painful, pointless death of Nicholaus Contreraz, age 16 ...
RUTZ ADVISED SHE HAD TWO CONTACTS WITH NICHOLAUS CONTRERAZ DURING HIS STAY ...
HOOVER WERE DOING NICHOLAUS CONTRERAZ WRONG. MR. CONTRERAZ WAS SICK AND THEY ...
http://www.nospank.net/azranch.htm - 94k - Cached - Similar pages

Investigation Summary--Investigation Of The Death Of A Nicholaus ...
The investigation into the death of Nicholaus Contreraz has resulted in a clear
picture of the operation of ABR. The findings, conclusions and ...
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phoenixnewtimes.com | News | Medical Probe | 1998-07-16
... 16-year-old Nicholaus Contreraz before he died of a massive infection. ...
is likely to have contributed directly to the death of Nicholaus Contreraz." ...
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phoenixnewtimes.com | Medical Probe | 1998-07-16
... They're looking into the conduct of the nurse and doctor who examined
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Physical and mental abuse of juveniles was rampant at The Arizona boys ranch camp
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Progressive, The: When "Tough Love" Kills - Murder at Boot camp ...
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« Reply #9 on: September 18, 2005, 09:28:00 AM »
5 INDICTED IN DEATH AT ARIZONA YOUTH RANCH

Courts: Former employees are accused of manslaughter and child
abuse in the case of a California offender whose complaints of illness
were reportedly dismissed.

An Arizona grand jury Thursday indicted five former employees of
Arizona Boys Ranch, charging that the four camp workers and a staff
nurse were responsible for the March 2 death of a Sacramento boy at
the paramilitary-style boot camp for juvenile offenders.

The indictments by the panel in Pinal County, southeast of Phoenix,
were the first criminal charges in the 7-month-old case, which has
brought about legislative changes, stricter licensing standards and
tougher oversight guidelines. The fallout from the death has also all
but closed the 50-year-old juvenile rehabilitation facility, which has
a national reputation.

The people charged were among those who worked most closely with
16-year-old Nicholaus Contreraz, who died while being physically
punished. The boy was cleared for rigorous exercise, despite repeated
complaints to the nurse that he was ill.

Indicted were camp nurse Linda Babb and four "work specialists" -
Geoffrey Sean Lewis, Montgomery Clayton Hoover, Michael
Martin Moreno and Troy Michael Jones. Four of the defendants live in
Tucson, and Hoover is from Sierra Vista, about 60 miles southeast of
that city. Each was charged with one count of child abuse and one
count of manslaughter, and faces a maximum penalty of 12 1/2 years in
prison for each count. Arraignment was scheduled for Oct. 23.

Officials at the program--based in Queen Creek, about 30 miles
southeast of Phoenix--had no comment Thursday.

In the past they have characterized Contreraz's death at their Oracle
facility, north of Tucson, as a tragedy and blamed it on the actions
of a few employees who were then suspended.

Children's rights advocates and others were outraged by the death--the
second at the ranch, which has had more than 100 child abuse
complaints lodged against it in the last five years. Thursday's
decision did not completely appease the Contreraz family, which has
sued the Arizona agency that licensed the ranch.

Contreraz's grandmother, Connie Woodward of Sacramento, told the
Associated Press that the administrators who tolerated abuse should
also be held accountable.

"It's a great feeling, but it's not enough yet," she said of the
indictments. "At least we know they're not gonna just slap their hands
and walk away." Cathy Sutton, whose daughter died while attending a
Utah wilderness camp and monitors such boot camp deaths nationwide,
echoed that sentiment.

"They fire the staff and think they've taken care of the problem," she
said. "But administrators never seem to be held accountable."

Contreraz had been sent to the camp after stealing a car and running
away while in custody. The slender teenager spent the last week of his
life complaining of chest pain and difficulty breathing, but had been
identified by the staff as a malingerer and punished more when he
complained, authorities said.

When the boy sought medical attention, the camp nurse repeatedly sent
him back out with approval to engage in the stringent exercise
required of troublesome juveniles, according to a sheriff's report.

His condition worsened and he began to defecate on himself and vomit
frequently, the report said.

Among the indicted staff were those who the report described as having
belittled the youth, made him sleep in soiled underwear, made him eat
dinner while sitting on a toilet and ordered him to carry a trash
basket filled with his soiled clothes and his own vomit.

Contreraz eventually collapsed and died. The medical examiner
pinpointed the cause of death as empyema, a buildup of fluid in the
lining between the lungs and chest cavity. Contreraz was also
suffering from strep and staph infections, pneumonia and chronic
bronchitis. The coroner noted 71 cuts and bruises on the boy's body.

Contreraz's gruesome punishment and death sparked a debate in both
Arizona and California.

California had a policy of sending juvenile offenders to out-of-state
facilities that did not meet its own state licensing requirements.
Lawmakers in Sacramento have since passed legislation discouraging
out-of-state placements and begun bringing home about 1,000 juveniles
from facilities around the country.

The loss of California youths was a severe blow to Boys Ranch, which
relied on the state for three-fourths of its enrollment.

Since Contreraz's death, the seven-campus ranch has closed five sites
and laid off dozens of employees.

The Arizona Department of Economic Security in August denied the ranch
an operating license, citing a "pattern of abuse" in the Contreraz
case and attacking the program's core philosophy of physical restraint
and hands-on confrontation. The state agency also announced that 17
former staff members were being placed on the Arizona Child Abuser
Directory based on their treatment of Contreraz and others.

The ranch has appealed the ruling and this month replaced Bob Thomas,
the program's longtime president.

The FBI is continuing its own investigation of the death.

Copyright 1998 Los Angeles Times.
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« Reply #10 on: September 18, 2005, 01:09:00 PM »
Daughter, I can't say exactly what happened to this kid at ABR or who was personally involved. But I can tell you why I find those "sensational" reports to be credible.

First, by all accounts, ABR operated on a very similar toughlove philosopy to the progran I was in. At some point in my program, I ran away and wound up camping w/ a bunch of Jesus freaks at the Jesus `81 festival in Orlando. And I picked up a deep chest cold along the way. I had had long bouts of chronic bronchitis from time to time for as long as I can remember. This time, though, there was no rest. I couldn't walk fast, let alone run, w/o bringing on a frightening bout of asthma and coughing.

It felt like I was drowning and I often nearly fainted just from not being able to stop coughing long enough to draw enough breath to cough with. But they made me run anyway, even physically forcing me through the motions. That was the standard treatment. I didn't dare "talk out in group" to explain why I didn't want to run. That would have gotten me slammed on the floor. That would have made it even harder to breath.

So, for some months, I went along, doing the best I could to comply w/ a rigerous 12+ hr/day regimen. I used to "sleep" sitting up, leaning on a pillow against against a wall because I couldn't breath at all if I tried to lie down. This went on till I reached 5th phase; months, in other words! Finally, some staffer asked me if I wanted to take a day in the sick room. I slept hard there for about 10 hours.

I'm fortunate to have survived that. Of course, I didn't realize at the time what kind of danger I was in. I was brainwashed to a point where I honestly thought the teenagers who we called staff were responsible enough to send me to a doctor if I needed it. That they didn't was proof enough for me that it wasn't that serious. I could have died any old night while my newcomers and foster sisters slept. I just got lucky.

There was another girl there too at the time. She had some sort of kidney problems. I remember one day when I was on pretraining for staff, she complained of illness and asked to see a doctor. They refused, told her she was just trying to avoid herself to get out of group. She insisted. When the 5th phaser finally agreed to send up a chain of command through me, she (being allowed to talk and allowed to forbid the newcomer girl from giving her side of the story) tried to convince me that Charlotte was just faking to get out of group. I almost bought it, too, till I noticed that her lips were blue and she was barely able to keep her head up.

These things happen in this industry because the people in charge of these kids really are that delusional. They relly believe what they tell you, that all complaints are just manipulation, that all these kids deserve a little pain. No one locked up w/ them dares challenge their perception on any minor point. They get violent and mean when you threaten their illusions.

That's how kids keep dying. That's how it can happen over the course of days, weeks or months right in front of dozens of people and no one either see what's really happening or, if they do, to dare say so.

They never got to the heart of me because they assumed from the beginning they knew me.

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« Reply #11 on: September 19, 2005, 12:09:00 AM »
Obviously he wasn't acting - he died as a result of heat exposure - why don't you try exercising in 110 degree heat. See if you feel like passing out after an hour of so. The negligene that was demonstrated was so outrageous. To bring his lifeless body back without calling for emergency assistance was horrific. When he was found passed out and face down in the water - immediate resucitation efforts should have been initiated and 911 called. This was not done. Also it was extremely negligent to leave him alone in a bathtub when he was unconscious or semi-conscious. He should have been brought to the Emergency room instead of a hotel room. What happend to him defies reason and was extremely negligent. I believe that this was done to prevent licensed health care workers from reporting this abusive treatment to the authroities. This is often the case. The punishment that was given was not enough in my opinion.

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« Reply #12 on: September 19, 2005, 02:12:00 AM »
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On 2005-09-18 21:09:00, cherish wisdom wrote:

"Obviously he wasn't acting - he died as a result of heat exposure - why don't you try exercising in 110 degree heat. See if you feel like passing out after an hour of so. The negligene that was demonstrated was so outrageous. To bring his lifeless body back without calling for emergency assistance was horrific. When he was found passed out and face down in the water - immediate resucitation efforts should have been initiated and 911 called. This was not done. Also it was extremely negligent to leave him alone in a bathtub when he was unconscious or semi-conscious. He should have been brought to the Emergency room instead of a hotel room. What happend to him defies reason and was extremely negligent. I believe that this was done to prevent licensed health care workers from reporting this abusive treatment to the authroities. This is often the case. The punishment that was given was not enough in my opinion.

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The death of TONY HAYNES (who you are referring to) was horrific and yeah, the punishment was not nearly severe enough.  What about the other guy who plea bargained?  What did he get?  

As for Nick Contreras, how anyone can say this boy was somehow responsible for his own death is beyond me.  The kid was sick and in dire need of medical attention which came too late (he was already dead).  

Remember the girl who was run to death at a state-run detention program in South Dakota?  The program was sued by a major human rights organization which led to major reform ... just a shame somebody has to die to get the yahoos from the state/federal/local government to do their job.  In fact, I'd say IT'S CRIMINAL that kids have to die to get the attention of the powers that be.
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« Reply #13 on: September 19, 2005, 08:00:00 PM »
<<< My father worked at Arizona Boys Ranch for nearly a decade even when all this "abuse" investigations went on. I grew up around that ranch in Oracle and the ranch branch in Williams. NEVER ONCE did I EVER witness abuse or even signs of abuse to these boys. They took field trips, had fairs and carnivals, and had one of very best football teams in the state (many of the players went on to college with full scholarships after graduation).>>>

Not surprising they had a good HS football team with Frank Kush involved with ABS.  His teams at ASU won a lot of games because he was a good coach.  But also because they were afraid to lose, because Kush and his staff would basically put the Sun Devils through torture if they lost.  There was a reason ASU had to fire him back in 1978.  Now Kush is at a place where there's even less oversight, and he's working with kids who deserve the "harsh" treatment.  Not surprising an abusive coach would help head up an abusive program that killed a kid.  

At least Coach Kush took his Sun Devils to Camp Tontozona for preseason practice so the team wouldn't drop like flies in the incredibly hot Arizona weather.
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« Reply #14 on: September 20, 2005, 01:47:00 AM »
Nospank.com is not a credible source as you suggest. It is the same half-truth, blinded site, much like this one here. If you would have kept up on these cases, you would see that all of the staff members, except the nurse, spent no time in jail for these fabricated exaggerations. The nurse received blemishes on her record but is still able to practice medicine. Do you know why these people aren't in jail for this "HORRENDOUS" crime?? Because they did absolutley nothing wrong. The nurse is not able to diagnose a rancher with anything, and the boys were transported to the hospital to see the doctor when the nurse was unable to help them. I know---my dad usually was the one to transport these delinquents. The nurse was only allowed BY LAW to administer over the counter medications.
If this whole murdurous catastrophe is true, then why didn't the other boys there at the ranch at this time say anything. And don't give me that they were scared, ABR is now closed, these "horrible" staff memebrs can't do anything to them. What is keeping this "eye-witnesses" from speaking to detectives and helping with the investigations now???? Ummmm....maybe because no of it ever happened!! They didn't take Contreraz into a separate room, either. PT is done outside (weather permitting)--in plain view for the world to see. I have contacted former staff members, and graduated ranchers who all say none of this ever happened. Contreraz was a liar and a fake--everyone thought he was up to his usual antics of crying wolf. I wouldn't have believed him had I been there. None of these boys can be trusted, at any time---you have to remember why they are even there. They are criminals, juvenile delinquents!! The moment you trust them is the moment they screw you over and mess up again.
Most of the exaggerations surrounding Contreraz's death is straight from these criminals' mouths. Whether they were seeking money, attention, revenge...I don't know but innocent people have been tragically affected for their selfishness. These ranches can turn these children's lives around and allow them to have a successful future, but pig-headed, arrogant people much like yourselves prevent these children from receiving the second chance these facilities provide!! Where do you suggest these children go now for their second chance?? They have none-its jail-you pigs have shut down every facility because its tough!!! So you suggest counseling and medication?!?!? Yeah, like thats going to work! Here pop a pill and all your rage, and aggression and sins will vanish!! WHATEVER!!
Newspapers are allowed to print whatever their hearts desire. They have no code of conduct and their stories don't have to true because our country has freedom of speech(and thank God for it. Without it, I wouldn't be able to stand here defending a subject that no one else takes the time to defend--its so much easier to bash the topic). Editors and journalists are sleazy and slimy. They will print anything if a deadline is approaching, and why not print some intresting dirt on a national topic.
I like have said, most of these staff members at ABR were former military and law enforcement officers. They have honor, respect, and a passion for the citizens of this nation. These events do not sound typical for a man of this nature. I know, my father never treated anyone that cruel and would never be associated with other men comitting those hateful actions.
Tough love is the only way to reach those boys, and they need help. ABR was willing to offer that. Yes, Contreraz died at ABR, but people have died at Knott's Berry Farm from a heart attack on their thrill rides, yet they are able to operate still.
It's no wonder our nation is turning out the way it is without such facilities to correct these children's. I blame this nation's crime problems on people such as yourselves. May you bear the burden of knowing you are damning these children's future and possibilities.
"DAUGHTER"
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