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Anonymous:
I love it, you guys are great.
Non-addicts/alcoholics discussing what it takes to get clean/sober, and with self-assigned authority! What's next a forum where whites can discuss what it's like being black or the visioned can discuss how best to run your life if you're blind?

Antigen:
Now you just hold your horses, stepper! According to your own cult's criteria, I've been a hopeless addict since the age of 9 when I first took a hit off a joint. That's been over 30 years now. I should have been deadinsaneorinjail decades ago. Just how long does this shit take to start working, anyway?


"I predict, Sir, that you will die either by hanging or of some vile disease."
 "That all depends, sir, upon whether I embrace your principles or your mistress."
--Disraeli to Gladstone
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Ginger Warbis ~ Antigen
Drug war POW
Seed Chicklett `71 - `80
Straight, Sarasota
   10/80 - 10/82
Apostate 10/82 -
Anonymity Anonymous

Antigen:

--- Quote ---On 2005-09-16 10:28:00, Anonymous wrote:

did they talk about the semblers in every rap at straight?

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No, it was completely different. I think there was a concious effort by Straight founders to eliminate the cultive personality aspect of the program. They thought that was one of the essential elements that had made the Seed dangerous and abusive.

Personally, I heard the name Sembler in association w/ Drug Free America Foundation years after I got away from Straight and probably a year or more before I ever knew of any affiliation between the Semblers and Straight or the Seed.

I suppose that's a key factor in my continued outrage. Here I was engaging in discussion on drug policy w/ a bunch of happy (and some not so happy) hippies, thinking to myself "My God, where did these people come from? They sound just like Program robots." But, of course, I thought I was thinking it rhetorically and never said it out loud.

When I finally went looking for them, I found solid connections between the most lunatic drug policies and expansive, crazy statements and those very same individuals who brought us the Program (by any name). I was stunned. I honestly did like it better when I was just a little paranoid, but the world was more-or-less OK. And, ever since, almost every time I try to relay that information, some joker tells me to put a little more tin foil under my hat.


A bishop keeps on saying at the age of eighty what he was told to say at the age of eighteen.
--Oscar Wilde
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Ft. Lauderdale:
Marshall-
 In the last 10 or 15 years, no one smoked. Or maybe 1 out of 50, if even that.

cleveland:
What I think is so interesting about this is the fact that the Oxford Group recruited members based upon the testimony of a strong, charismatic leader who could 'cure' them - he called himself a 'soul surgeon' (the 'gift of awareness'?) He also advocated 'absolute' purity and group confession (an ideal no one is capable of reaching, plus the bond of shame and group cohesiveness). Members recruited other members and there was a lot of talk about love. There were also many slogans, and a mistrust of logical thought. I also think it's interesting that the founder flirted with Nazism (Hitler's 'Superman' and the Seed's 'homo superior'?)

It's no surprise to me that Buchman's group came to be considered a cult, and disappeared. But look what has been left behind!

Walter

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