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The Oxford Group
marshall:
Really? That is amazing! That's the first I'd heard of that, so pardon my ignorance. How did that come about? Did Art finally manage to quit? Did someone finally realize the inconsistency of all the talk about destroying ourselves, having no respect for ourselves (pre-seed) and continuing to slowly commit suicide via tobacco addiction? I read that Straight was anti-smoking and that at least seemed more consistent. Whatever the reason, that's good to hear. Hope you were one of the one's able to kick the habit.
It's funny...(well, not really)..but the 3 drugs I had the most trouble with in my life were all legal. I'm not even counting caffeine (sorry mormons). When I was about 14 I developed a chronic cough. The family doctor prescribed a powerful cough-medicine containing codeine. I quickly became addicted to it. Had to have it every a.m. before school. Loved the feeling and pretended to cough in order to get it. Strangely, the dependency scared me and I was slowly able to ween myself from it over several months. When I was 16 I started seeing a therapist (after a mega-dose of LSD). I was prescribed Valium for anxiety. (this was the early 70's and this was still common) Even after all the list of druggie drugs I'd taken, valium seemed like the best thing since sliced bread. It gave me confidence and changed my personality to more outgoing and talkative. Again, I found myself taking it every day (the dr. specifically warned only to use it occasionally) before school. I remained dependent upon that until I was sent to prison. Cigarettes, codeine and valium...those were the hard one's to let go of...and none were (for me at the time) illegal.
These days I'm back to using a type of acid. Have to have it every day. Must be made from insects or something. They call it ant-acid. :silly:
Antigen:
Look into meadowsweet. It's the only alternative to the antacid/prevacid regime that my dh takes that seems to keep working well for more than a month or two, has no known side effects and may actually encourage healthy regrowth of damaged stomach, duodenum and ileum tissue.
I give money for church organs in the hope the organ music will distract the congregation's attention from the rest of the service.
--Andrew Carnegie, Scottish-born American industrialist and philanthropist
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GregFL:
--- Quote ---On 2005-09-16 10:34:00, Anonymous wrote:
"I love it, you guys are great.
Non-addicts/alcoholics discussing what it takes to get clean/sober, and with self-assigned authority! What's next a forum where whites can discuss what it's like being black or the visioned can discuss how best to run your life if you're blind?"
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This forum is replete with graduates/attendees of AA and AA type programs. Who better to discuss and explore the concepts?
You know "anon" you come across as bitter and confrontational to all that don't agree with you.
Just where did you obtain those personality traits? Ever think of focusing a little of your hyper-critical analysis of others inward?
If so, I respectully suggest starting with your anti-social propensity to lash out at people that don't share your beliefs.
Anonymous:
--- Quote ---On 2005-09-16 11:15:00, Antigen wrote:
"Now you just hold your horses, stepper! According to your own cult's criteria, I've been a hopeless addict since the age of 9 when I first took a hit off a joint. That's been over 30 years now. I should have been deadinsaneorinjail decades ago. Just how long does this shit take to start working, anyway?
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Well Ging if you continue along this destructive path, you may die at 80, thereby proving their point!
:grin:
Gregfl
cleveland:
From "The Religious Roots of AA by Agent Orange:"
http://www.orange-papers.org/orange-religiousroots.html
"The truth is that a failed stock analyst and newly-sober alcoholic named William G. Wilson just sat down, in December of 1938, and wrote up twelve commandments for the new religious group that he and fellow alcoholic Doctor Robert Smith had started. Those commandments were simply a repackaged version of the practices of a cult religion that was popular at that time, something called "The Oxford Group", or "The Oxford Group Movement", a religious cult created by a deceitful fascist renegade Lutheran minister named Dr. Frank Nathan Daniel Buchman. The practices of the Oxford Group were:
1) Admission of personal defeat (You have been defeated by sin).
2) Taking of personal inventory. (List your sins.)
3) Confession of one's sins to another person.
4) Making restitution to those one has harmed.
5) Helping others selflessly.
6) Praying to God for the power to put these precepts into practice.
There was also one more very important requirement, not listed in these six practices, "Go recruit more members." (Actually, many believers would say, "It is so listed. It's Practice Five. Converting people to the right religious beliefs and 'principles', so that they can get into Heaven too, is definitely helping them. So working all day long to get new converts for the group is 'helping others selflessly.'")
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