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In Re : Physical Abuse v. Psychological Abuse

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Antigen:
FueLaw, I'm not talking about when the parents are involved. That's still gooing on very openly. There's a whole "teen escort" side of the industry these days. No more having volunteer parents do the dirty work. You can now call an 800#, givve them your credit card info and have a couple of ex marines or other tough guys extract your troubling kid from their bed at night.

I'm talking about a scenareo where the parents were the last to know. Maybe it only happened once, if at all. Maybe not. That's what I'm trying to figure out. But I clearly remember talk of ending that policy due to public criticism.

Anybody else from the S. Andrews bldg remember anything like that?
I don't think we're here for anything, we're just products of evolution. You can say 'Gee, your life must be pretty bleak if you don't think there's a purpose' but I'm anticipating a good lunch.
--Dr. James Watson, American biologist
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tommyfromhyde1:

--- Quote ---On 2005-09-11 10:08:00, Antigen wrote:

"Thanks for posting that, FueLaw.



One other thing I've been curious about for years. I remember talk of this. But, of course, I was very young and not directly involved. Does anyone else remember the (likely short lived) practice of snagging potential intakes off the street? The way I remember it, it went something like this. A kid would be compelled to rat out his or her friends in rap. A goon squad would be organized to get details, like favorite hang outs or best places and times to catch the unsuspecting inductee when vulnerable. Then the squad would go out and snag the kid off the street, brow beat a confession out of them and then call the parents saying "Mrs. Smith, we have your son Johnny here. He's told us he's on drugs and wants help getting off them. Would you come down and sign some papers?"



Anybody else remember anything about that?
For the community to have 10% to 25% of its men unable to vote or unable to access credit or other privileges of citizenship for the rest of their lives in some states creates a permanently diminished
group within society.
Jeremy Travis, Urban Institute
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That sounds legally questionable - as in kidnapping.
I seem to remember that Synanon was big on goon squads,
I think that they were called "Imperial Marines".
I don't know about new intakes but they were sent
after (adult) "splitees" and Synanon critics.
They cut the rattle off a rattlesnake once and
put it in the mailbox of a lawyer who was trying
to help someone get out.
Bureaucracy defends the status quo long past the time when the quo has lost its status
--Laurence J. Peter
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GregFL:
which brings us full circle back to the synanon/seed talks.

There is much commonality in language between the two places, in spite of John U's assertion there was no synanon influence.  Some of this is for sure because of the connection between synanon (sins anon?), the seed and AA.  However, Splitees? In the seed they were splits.  Newcomers, oldcomers...rap sessions...many many phrases seem to have come directly from the synanon.

marshall:
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"There was a rehab in Wilton Manors, Spectrum House, that was loosely modeled after Synanon. The program was inspired by Alcoholics Anonymous, modified by Art, (with the help and suggestions of others such as Dave R., [who did have a degree in psychology], his wife and others whose names allude me), to better fit the drug culture. Initially it was informal rap sessions with a dozen or so participants." ---J.U.'s first post
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Have I misunderstood what John is saying here? He does seem to be implying some type of connection between Art and a program modeled after Synanon: "Spectrum House, that was loosely modeled after Synanon. The program was inspired by Alcoholics Anonymous, modified by Art,"

Sounds like the Seed was a sort of mix of Synanon and AA given a unique twist by Art. Given this  beginning, I don't see where a more direct connection is necessary to explain the similarities. No one seriously questions whether Synanon was a cult and this alone gives the Seed a cult-like connection, regardless of what we might think of AA.

Or is John simply mentioning another rehab located nearby? If so, it is confusing to go on to speak of "the program..."I got the impression that he was saying that Art modified this pre-existing Spectrum House rehab. I agree that the similarities are too apparent to chalk up to coincidence. Maybe some of the other founders John mentioned were impressed with Synanon and advised Art to model his program after it. I wonder if we'll ever know.

Robin Martin:

--- Quote ---On 2005-09-11 10:08:00, Antigen wrote:

A kid would be compelled to rat out his or her friends in rap. A goon squad would be organized to get details, like favorite hang outs or best places and times to catch the unsuspecting inductee when vulnerable. Then the squad would go out and snag the kid off the street, brow beat a confession out of them and then call the parents saying "Mrs. Smith, we have your son Johnny here. He's told us he's on drugs and wants help getting off them. Would you come down and sign some papers?"


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For the record...even as F***ed-up "druggies" neither my brother nor myself ever "ratted out" anyone!  I always believed it should be a personal "choice" (as it was mine) of an individual or parent to enroll or enlist in the Seed. I had more integrity than that and opted to speak w/ my friends directly to share my experience and hope. Some came on their own, others did not. Sorry, I know many of you did not have an option.

On another note, last night I just watched the movie "Thirteen" and if ANY of you doubt the condition "I" was in when I "volunteered to enlist", PLEASE watch and know I went quite a bit further than the cast in the movie! Albeit, filmed for the 2000 something generation, the movie is a great depiction of peer pressure at "13" - whether it be in the 70's or later.  Families were way dysfunctional long before those of you who think the Seed messed 'em up!!  Get with it!!

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