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In Re : Physical Abuse v. Psychological Abuse

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cleveland:
Of course! We all have our own perceptions, and they are all valuable...

walter

shanlea:
This is what I don't get in any of these sites. People recount true, accurate portrayals of gross therapeutic abuses, unethical, and misapplied coercive techniques and serious weaknesses within these programs that are systemic rather than isolated, and the programs are still defended as worthwhile.  How can any program be worthwhile if it is inherently abusive or cultic? I don't get it!

On my site (CEDU), we even get people who bash the anti CEDU participants but have yet to describe one tool or practice that is beneficial. They say the program helps, butcan never answer the program helps, but can never answer the question "how?"  And they never, ever address the systemic failures of the institution or how people were subjected to horrific psychological abuse and humiliation, and browbeaten to lie or hyperbolize about their past.  These pro program people NEVER have an answer to how a one size fits all philosophy helps individuals, or which tools help people once they are back in the real world, out of an isolated environment with it's own code, lingo, and mind set.

GregFL:
Oh sure they do...the whole schmeal is justified, all of it, by the deadinsaneinjail mantra.

They really got this hammered home so much they believe they were so lost and worthless at 15 that they were dying.

sad but true.

I talked to some staff members from one of the recent incarnations of the seed called SAFE. They all told me they were addicts and dying before they came in. For the most part they were pimply faced little kids motivating and keeping watch over the caged newcomers. I asked them what they were addicted to and they said "drugs". I told them that addiction was a physical need for a substance and asked them specifically which substance they were addicted to.

NONE of them had an answer but instead asked me if I had read Miller Newton's book "gone way down".

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