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« on: September 10, 2005, 10:10:00 AM »
EXPLOSIVE RESIDUE FOUND ON FAILED LEVEE DEBRIS!  Ruptured New Orleans Levee had help failing   By: Hal Turner                               September 9, 2005   3:36 PM EDT New Orleans, LA -- Divers inspecting the ruptured levee walls surrounding New Orleans found something that piqued their interest: Burn marks on underwater debris chunks from the broken levee wall! One diver, a member of the U.S. Army Corps of Engineers, saw the burn marks and knew immediately what caused them.  He secreted a small chunk of the cement inside his diving suit and later arranged for it to be sent to trusted military friends at a The U.S. Army Forensic Laboratory at Fort Gillem, Georgia for testing. According to well placed sources, a military forensic specialist  determined the burn marks on the cement chunks did, in fact, come  from high  explosives.  The source, speaking on condition of anonymity said "We found traces of boron-enhanced fluoronitramino explosives as well as PBXN-111.  This would indicate at least two  separate types of explosive devices." The levee ruptures in New Orleans did not take place during Hurricane Katrina, but rather a day after the hurricane struck.  Several residents of New Orleans and many Emergency Workers reported hearing what sounded like large, muffled explosions from the area of the levee, but those were initially discounted as gas explosions from homes with leaking gas lines.  If these allegations prove true, the ruptured levee which flooded New Orleans was a deliberate act of mass destruction perpetrated by someone with access to military-grade UNDERWATER high explosives.  More details as they become available . . . . .

http://www.halturnershow.com/DiversFind ... dLevy.html

http://cathiefromcanada.dailykos.com/st ... 1752/03876

Eminent Domain and other important questions
http://la.indymedia.org/news/2005/09/13 ... php#135100
http://www.rense.com/general67/painful.htm
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« Reply #1 on: September 10, 2005, 12:40:00 PM »
Holy sheep shit, batman!

Ok, so if all indications point to an inside job again, will that finally be enough to get America united against these fascist idiots?

Government operates best when it allows all messengers to offer their views, allowing the American people to decide which take root and which wither away.
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« Reply #2 on: September 10, 2005, 01:45:00 PM »
http://www.dailykos.com/story/2005/9/7/145445/9698

MILITARY RECRUITMENT - 9/7 JOB FAIR IN THE ASTRODOME
NO SCAVENGING THE GULF COAST CRISIS TO BOOST THE
DEPLETED RANKS OF THE MILITARY!
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Stop the military from preying upon the vulnerable! Come educate youth dislocated from their lives and communities - facing homelessness, joblessness and often hopelessness -about the false promises of recruiters!
>
Doling out food to the hungry crowds overflowing
Houston's Astrodome, the National Guard has engaged in ad hoc recruiting in recent days.
Tomorrow, September 7, 2005, the U.S. military is
conducting a Job Fair in the Astrodome in a blatant effort to exploit the despair of masses of Americans evacuated from the Gulf Coast. Once
signed up, even if purportedly to reconstruct their region, they could easily find themselves deployed to Iraq, left with medical coverage for only two for only combat-related injury and the expectations for training eviscerated. And if they sign up on the promise of temporary relief,
they could find themselves bound for extended tours of duty.
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No link was provided with this. More on eminent domain at the end
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Black Water
I've spent days scrutinizing satellite photos of New Orleans, helping people check out their houses. Inevitably, if they or their neighbors
had a swimming pool, the turquoise blue of the pool visible on the pre-Katrina image is black on Digital Globe's shots from August 31st 10 AM. Also, as I said in a previous post, I was pretty
certain that certain corporate names, familiar from the mercenary industry in Iraq, were going to turn up in New Orleans. So this evening I got an email from Patrick Nielsen Hayden informing me that Blackwater's in New Orleans. Bodyguards to the coalition, they have a certain cowboy
reputation among the private "security" firms. The
style of their website tends to be a little over-the-top macho in comparison to other private military firms, whose websites tend to mimic
accounting firms, as though it was sercurities (in the plural) they were selling, rather than "security."

And, yes, those were Blackwater guys who died in
Falluja, touching off the public revelation that at Paul Bremer's instigation, Iraq was awash in mercenaries who were pulling down salaries ten
times what the American troops stationed there were making.

Blackwater. From a novelistic standpoint, it is inevitable that they would turn up in the city in which there is so much water and on the satellite photos it looks like a black stain. And really, when you hire mercenaries, a certain amount of murkiness about accountability is part of what you are paying for. I lost track: were any of the private contractors implicated in the torture documented in the Taguba report ever actually
charged with anything? What ever happened to John
Israel and Steve Stephanowitz?

Sending Blackwater into New Orleans is the
twenty-first century's sad answer to that quaint twentieth-century phrase "send in the marines."
It is the public confession that too much of our
infrastructure has been "privatized," by which we mean that services formerly provided by
government employees accountable to the American
people can now be purchased, often at much higher prices, from the private sector, opening up much larger opportunities for war (and now disaster)
profiteering. This is not to say that there aren't
talented, strong, idealistic young men working for companies like Blackwater. But rather the privatization of these areas of endeavor, in light
of the Iraq experience, is part cynical exercise in looting of the public treasuries, and part liberating the government from the burdensome
accountability that keeps public employees from
behaving like action heroes do in the movies.

Put yourself in the shoes of those frightened,
traumatized people holed up in their houses, determined to hang on because what's left of their houses is all they have left in the world. What would you do if one of these big burly Blackwater guys, with sunglasses and a sub-machine gun, showed up on your doorstep and instructed you to evacuate?

As nearly as I can tell, New Orleans is awash in rumor. Suppose you had heard that they weren't really rescuing black people, but rather were rounding them up and putting them in concentration camps, something I wish were further from the truth [link via Xeni at boingboing].
What happens if the man from Blackwater reacts badly to your response?
And how much is Blackwater being paid to prance around with guns while firefighters who came for free are used as props for political photo ops?

(Via Attytood, thanks to Patrick Nielsen Hayden.)

A FURTHER THOUGHT: In August of 1955, Hurricane Connie passed through the Delaware Valley, followed shortly by the remnants of Hurricane
Diane. This resulted in the Great Flood of 1955. As the late science fiction literary agent Virginia Kidd (at the time of the flood, Mrs.
James Blish) told the story, the flood waters rose up to the window sills of the main floor of the house (to a depth of about 4 ft on one side of the house, and much deeper on the other side,
as Arrowhead has a daylight basement). The waters stayed for two weeks.
Meanwhile,
Virginia and her family stayed at Judy Merrill's
house, on much higher ground, 3 doors down from the Milford stoplight (for those who've been
there). As I recall, Virginia said they spent the
whole time playing cards, waiting for the waters to recede. Much of the contents of the house had to be discarded because the flooded houses all had septic systems and the septic systems had been destroyed. But the Blish family still had their house.

But not for long. The US government took most of the houses in the flood zone by eminent domain and tore many of them down. There was a plan for a vast flood management program involving making the whole area a lake. The plan was never enacted. When I worked for Virginia in the late 1980s, we were still sweeping the Delaware River mud out of the floor boards.

Virginia was allowed to rent the family house back
from the government for the rest of her life, though if the Feds had ever decided to act on
their plan, she would have been evicted. And the house it is where she founded and ran the Virginia Kidd Literary Agency. And when she died a few years ago, the agency was allowed to continue operating in the house, and there they are still.

Why is Blackwater in New Orleans to do work that many others have volunteered to do for free? Two words: Eminent Domain.
Think about it.

What is Eminent Domain?
Eminent Domain is how the government takes your
property for a public purpose, whether you chose to sell it to them or not, at a price they
specify.
In Kelo vs. New London, the supreme court vastly expanded the powers of government to take property in situations where it was arguably for a private, not a public, purpose. The American Bar Association outlines it thusly:

The exercise of eminent domain has a central role in urban redevelopment, smart growth, water quality improvements, wild land preservation and restoration, and a host of environmental and energy infrastructure projects.
The Fifth Amendment enjoins: "nor shall private
property be taken for public use, without just compensation."
This Quick Teleconference will examine the Supreme Court's recently decided 5th Amendment cases Kelo v. New London, No. 04-108 (June 23, 2005) and Lingle v. Chevron, 125 S. Ct. 2074 (May 23, 2005). In Kelo, the Court by a 5-4 majority upheld the City of New London, Connecticut's condemnation of 15 homes in the Fort Trumbull neighborhood for the sole purpose of furthering economic redevelopment around a planned pharmaceutical research facility. The QT will discuss the extent to which the decision allows
governmental officials to condemn private property for the purpose of increasing tax
revenues and promoting development.

In Lingle, the Court held in another 5-4 opinion that the 5th Amendment does not engender inquiry into whether the regulation "substantially
advances" legitimate state interests, as it would with an issue under the Due Process Clause. Instead, how the amendment applies is a function of the extent and duration of the governmental action.

Translation: in situations like Katrina, Kelo vastly expands the  opportunities for corporate looting.
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« Reply #3 on: September 10, 2005, 10:09:00 PM »
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On 2005-09-10 09:40:00, Antigen wrote:

"Holy sheep shit, batman!



Ok, so if all indications point to an inside job again, will that finally be enough to get America united against these fascist idiots?


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No. They had to flood New Orleans to keep it from being destroyed by terrorists, you see.
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« Reply #4 on: September 11, 2005, 12:32:00 AM »
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" EXPLOSIVE RESIDUE FOUND ON FAILED LEVEE DEBRIS!  Ruptured New Orleans Levee had help failing   By: Hal Turner

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Is Hal Turner a real source?

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Hal_Turner
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« Reply #5 on: September 11, 2005, 09:26:00 AM »
I did some research on this news story and found no other site anywhere on the internet that mentions this discovery. I then emailed a news site that I am very familiar with and that has a good reputation as being objective. they emailed me back and said that Hal Turner has a reputation as a crackpot. They said they doubt this story is for real.
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« Reply #6 on: September 11, 2005, 09:41:00 AM »
Using Hal Turner as a legitimate source is just
proof that if it is on the internet there will
always be some moron who believes it as the
"truth" written by "experts"

People who believe anything written on the web,
especially by conspiry sites, are the most likely
to be compelled to post elsewhere, such as Fornits
to become the next level of "expert"

It happens, here, there and everywhere.

Intelligent people have to just pass them off as
dopes, just as one is selective who they talk
to in public as well as with one's friends in
private.

There is no known cure for gullibility!
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« Reply #7 on: September 11, 2005, 10:45:00 AM »
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On 2005-09-11 06:26:00, Anonymous wrote:

"I did some research on this news story and found no other site anywhere on the internet that mentions this discovery. I then emailed a news site that I am very familiar with and that has a good reputation as being objective. they emailed me back and said that Hal Turner has a reputation as a crackpot. They said they doubt this story is for real. "

Me too.  This is a plain 'ol BUNK story.  There's nothing to it whatsoever.
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« Reply #8 on: September 11, 2005, 11:06:00 AM »
If 1,000,000 people believe a stupid thing,
it is still a stupid thing!
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« Reply #9 on: September 11, 2005, 11:16:00 AM »
Failing to build up those levees and increase funding is JUST as negligent and criminal as placing explosives on it and blowing it up. Their lack of funds blew it up. This is a red-herring, a distraction from the REAL reason the levees failed.
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« Reply #10 on: September 11, 2005, 11:47:00 AM »
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On 2005-09-11 08:06:00, Anonymous wrote:

"If 1,000,000 people believe a stupid thing,

it is still a stupid thing!"


Same as if 59 million people believe a stupid thing.
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« Reply #11 on: September 11, 2005, 11:51:00 AM »
You obviously didn't follow all the links?

http://www.rense.com/general67/exple.htm
Levee 'Explosives Residue'
Story Remains Unconfirmed
By Jim Moore
9-11-5
 
Note - This story below is racing around the net and we present it *only* as something to be so noted. 'Well placed sources' and unnamed sources 'speaking on conditions of anonymity' have essentially no credibility from a journalistic standpoint. Unless one of the principals steps out of the shadows and comes forward with proof of the allegations below, this story must be considered as just another internet rumor.
 
IF, in fact, the levee was initially breached with an explosive device, it would have been a very easy task to accomplish. One underwater demolition expert (a former Navy SEAL, for example) working undercover of night, or of the passing hurricane, could have slipped in and out of the area, unseen, in a matter of minutes. Interesting to contemplate how just one person could have triggered a $100 billion dollar disaster and mass murder. But such are the times in which we live. -ed

http://news.independent.co.uk/world/ame ... 309770.ece
Explosions were heard and have been reported. The cause of those explosions, based on what I have read, is left to speculation.

Have you noticed where the breaks ocurred? Spacing is more than ironic.
http://www.cnn.com/SPECIALS/2005/hurric ... trina.html

It's your perogative to limit who you speak to on the street and what you read on the internet. To limit one's exposure to all information has never seemed intelligent to me. Certainly no one is twisting your arm.

While on the subject, do you have any information that disprove the report?
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« Reply #12 on: September 11, 2005, 12:07:00 PM »
"While on the subject, do you have any information that disprove the report?

Oh jeeperz, you are right, it is a good use of one's time to go to the most unreliable sources on the internet and invest time reading about bullshit ...
good one!

Look at all the quakes on this forum who quote experts from the most off the wall sites.

Do you invest your time believing all of it, as a quest for knowledge and not limiting your exposure to anything? From anyone?
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« Reply #13 on: September 11, 2005, 12:10:00 PM »
If this story had even a little bit of credability the democrats would be all over it and it would be on every news station in a second.  Jesse Jackson would provide photos of a white guy in a navy seal outfit as a back drop.
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« Reply #14 on: September 11, 2005, 12:13:00 PM »
The bottom line is that "news" is supposed to be objectively verifiable and needs to be verified by the publisher.

This story is no more verifiable than "Martians did it."  Can you PROVE they DIDN'T?  No, of course you can't, but does that mean they DID?

When you see a story of dubious veracity, look at the publisher (a KNOWN quack), and check the sources (there are none).  Why would anyone invest a scintilla more of their time to prove that it's NOT true?
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