On 2005-09-14 14:25:00, the wet noodle wrote:
"I am sorry if you think that Str8 had anything to do with AA/NA but here is a news flash...
AA/NA has NOTHING to do with Str8!!!!!!!!!
But whatever...I can see that you obviously think that just b/c Str8 forced the 12 steps down your throat...then you think that they are bad for everyone...that is a very ignorant and irresponsible point of view...that is a direct result of your resentment against Str8 for forcing the 12 steps down youir throat...
Which is the main reason why AA/NA NEVER force the steps down anyone's throat...
Antigen may be right that there are other programs out there that force people to attend AA/NA...but these ARE NOT endorsed by AA/NA...they may be endorsed by certain individual who are members of AA/NA...but these people do not speak for AA/NA My personal point of view is that anyone forced into AA/NA will never stay sober/clean.. it needs to be a voluntary thing...
AA/NA save millions of lives...they are able to do this because they do not endorse any treatment center or institution...
The main reason that they do not endorse anything is because it could create a controversy that would turn people away from AA/NA and cause addicts to die unnecessarily...
You both are a perfect example of what happens when the steps are forced on someone...it hurts everyone involved...and doesn't work...so now you have become spokesman against one of the only succesfull treatements for addiction(AA/NA)...all because of Str8...
Fuck Str8
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Where to start, where to start? Your post is so filled with Stepcraft jive and doublespeak, it's hard to begin. Drop the cult dogma and maybe we can have a real bit of discourse.
First of all, Straight had EVERYTHING to do with Stepcraft. They just happened to be one of the more fanatical sects of the Stepcraft religion.
Secondly, it is amusing how Stepsters sideSTEP the issue of forced treatment and meetings "Oh, we don't do that". Bullshit. If it looks like coercion, smells like coercion, and spouts Stepcult dogma under threat of incarceration or loss of livlihood, it's coercion. Do you really think for one second that the Stepcrafters are NOT behind forced treatment? Who do you think is behind it, liquor companies? If you're that stupid or blind to the obvious, there's really no point in arguing. Bill W. said it, you believe it, that settles it.
AA/NA
saves millions of lives? BULLSHIT! People may have saved their own lives, and (erroneously) crediited Stepcraft, but that's about as close as they come. What about your book "12 Spells and 12 Superstitions" that tells would-be sponsors (read: oldcomers) to
encourage people to keep using until they "hit bottom"? How many people have died as a result of the Stepcult? Huh? Huh? Tell me!
"One of the only successful treatments for addiction"?
That's funny! Their own 1989 Triennial report estimated that only 5% of people achieve long-term abstinance. You are much better off quitting without the Stepcult. You are even better off than that if you learn how to use drugs without harming yourself or others.
Like I said previously, you should free yourself from the vampiric clutches of Bill W. and his imps by
getting high. Smoke a joint--it won't kill you. Remember, relapsers have more fun........ :smokin:
