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JaLong:
I think  it is a great idea. I too think it would be best if there were many signatures. That would get the message out louder if we sign as a group united. I know St.Pete Times would grab onto this since it was here, and they are a liberal newspaper. Please keep me informed. Thanks.
I have a question. I remember years back there was a guy who talked around the country about the seed and the damage it had done to most. Etc, etc. Does anyone know who that was?

marcwordsmith:
It occurse to me that letters to editors may not be published. After all, Seed-like entities are not late-breaking news, and a letter to the editor about them may seem "out of nowhere." Another alternative is a few carefully placed paid display ads in some of these papers. Perhaps a bunch of us could chip in for the cost, if we get enough signators.

I would like to do something somehow that would be easy, simple, possibly effective in at least helping a few kids (point well taken, Root of Jesse, that we're not likely to bring down the evil empire with such letters or ads), and not dangerous to us. That is, none of us should have to stick out necks out so far as to re-aggravate or reactivate our own upset and trauma.

Lawsuits are a bit more ambitious than anything I can personally get behind right now, Fuelaw, though more power to you (and as much support as I can muster) if you initiate that process.

So I'd like to recast the letter, tighten it up, include Straight survivors as well as Seed survivors in the text, and then get the research from Ginger or someone to help determine where the ads/letters should be placed.

But easy does it, yeah? Let's proceed carefully, so we don't come off as "off the wall."

Anyone interested, please send me a Private Message and I'll respond with my email address, and maybe we'll get a little email discussion going, and we'll nail down/fine tune the text of what we want to say, and then proceed. I think there should be at least ten people to sign this statement, if it's to carry significant force.

Thank you to those who posted above, expressing willingness to sign. We'll see what happens. Perhaps we can make a difference for a few kids, and that would be worth it.

Antigen:
Yeah, you have to have a relavent hook. And there are plenty, almost daily, if you familiarize yourself w/ the people and corporate entities involved in this scam.

You just have to know what questions to ask. Any school district that's debating suspicionless piss testing, for example, is in this game whether they know it or not. Drug and Alcohol Testing Industries Association (DATIA) members make almost the entire market in drug screening. Quest Dx is one of the bigger ones among them. Just look at their BOA and BOD lists and the guest lists for their galas and such. You'll find familiar names of pathological liars. And those people are the ONLY source of information in support of their publicly funded programs.

So ask for some more solid evidence that piss testing actually delivers results. Fact is, it doesn't. It does cause kids who might indulge occasionally (or who just take offence to the implicit accusation) to pass on organized activities. And it does provide developed leads for the TC style teen rehabs that always send along their advertising (refereal service) w/ the testing kids and propaganda. But it does not reduce substance use or abuse in student populations nor does it reduce accidental injury, improve test scores or anything else they promise.

Area taskforces are another scandalous story thats playing out virtually unchallenged everywhere but Texas.

There are many other examples. Just follow what these same people are up to now. Guaranteed, they're still snookering us into public funding and policy in pursuit of their obsession. And they're getting quite wealthy and famous in the process. Do you believe that Mel Sembler has an embassy building named after him, w/ a wing in it named for the congresscritter who proposed the naming bill? In fucking credible! This guy should be doing time, or at least be required to report his whereabouts as a serial child abuser!

While I have seen organized efforts in the area of drug policy reform have a huge impact, I've also seen all kinds of infighting and monkey business that goes along w/ it. That's why I've never been a formal member of anything but Clan Warbis. I will write a letter from time to time and have even been known to take up a bull horn and a protest sign occasionally. But my advice is to do what you're inclined to do and to just do it freelance.
Religion is what keeps the poor from murdering the rich.
--Napoleon Bonaparte, French emperor
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Anonymous:
Fuelaw
where can i find this article about you and seed kids being beaten, when was it published, who was the reporter, what was the name of article and in what publication?

marcwordsmith:
In the interests of keeping my/our particular efforts focused, Ginger, I probably wouldn't take on the issue of suspicionless drug testing per se. I'm more interested simply in raising awareness about behavior modification programs like the Seed and Straight.

I'm not interested in doing this "freelance." I don't think that a letter or an ad signed by one individual will have nearly as much impact as one endorsed by a number of individuals, who have all graduated from Seed or Straight at different times. Therefore, I'm hoping to get at least ten people (including myself) who explicitly want to move forward with putting their names on some kind of statement that would appear out in a public forum, such as a newspaper. So far, there are four of us. Maybe five, since perhaps I can also include Starry-Eyed pirate, since you said in this thread, Pirate, that you support the idea, though I haven't heard directly from you as yet.

AsI said before, I don't want to stick my neck out by myself, nor should anyone else. It seems there must be thousands of people out there who agree--who KNOW from first-hand experience--that these kinds of programs are poison to the developing identity of a normal teenager, even a teen who might be experimenting with drugs. If six or so more might be willing to craft a simple, clear statement with me, I would think that it could have some force. Hope to hear from more people! Thanks!

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