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Is there any relationship between Synanon and Daytop ??
Anonymous:
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--- Quote from: "Magnificent" ---As a former staff from Daytop I can tell you that they did share the history and connection to Synanon. The conection was simply that the model was utiltized to develope what Daytop would be but it wasn't a deal where they walked around talking about Synanon in fact it was stressed that Synanon broke a lot of rules and became a cult. The Florida program did have some NY staff who went to help get it started but I'm not sure what all happened with those people I've been gone for some time.
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If I remember correctly, wasn't it David Deitch that came over from Synanon to help light a fire, so to speak, under operations at Daytop? I don't think Synanon was yet recognized as a cult (back then); it was still receiving government funding and in fact, had a branch in the New York City area and, for a time, also in Connecticut.
There were a few TCs started in the metropolitan New York area in the early 60s; I might be off by a few years, but I seem to recall that Daytop was one, and Phoenix House was another. I also seem to recall that Art Barker (later of The Seed) was allegedly living in Brooklyn or the Bronx during that same time period.
Early on, either Daytop or Phoenix House, or both, worked out a deal with the city whereby men convicted of non-lethal crimes involving alcohol or drugs were given the option of doing their time at the TC instead of jail. I was wondering, do you know whether Barker was in such a situation and availed himself of TC time instead of jail-time? He was reputed to be somewhat of a rabble-rouser back then.
One last question:
"The Florida program did have some NY staff who went to help get it started but I'm not sure what all happened with those people I've been gone for some time."[/list]
Are you saying that Daytop specifically did send people down to The Seed program in Florida to help them get started? Do you know whether any other TC, e.g., Phoenix House or Synanon or Gaudenzia (Philly), or any other government programs also did so?
thnx
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Inculcated:
Daytopic program influences included among other program related references as originally Posted by Awake in other threads can be viewed at the following:
mk ultra
How you couldn’t really “fake it” (Act as if)
Cedu: Developing the program
--- Quote ---The most comprehensive compilation of criticisms of the group movement has been presented by Howard (1970). She notes that critics have claimed that groups:
(1) cause stirring wonderful things to happen, but the effects of these are not valid because they do not last; (2) use ridiculous jargon; (3) are pointless; . (4) invade privacy; ’ ’ (5) are anti-intellectual; (6) cheapen real emotion; (7) are guilty of phoniness; (8) lead to emotional elitism; (9) may get to be a cult; ( I 0) hypnotize their members; ( I 1 ) can be run by charlatans who are corrupt or mediocre; (12) foster sexual promiscuity; ( 13) encourage physical violence; , (14) do psychological damage; ( 15) are a hotbed of junkies and dope addicts; and (16) can be fatal.
Stoller, the foremost systematizer of the marathon, had far too short a period to develop his views. We are told (Kovacs, 1971: 12) that Stoller wanted to develop a new kind of growth center where all these techniques [i.e., psychotherapy, gestalt exercises, body movement techniques, encounter phenomena, and the myriad other burgeoning techniques which characterize our field] could be integrated in a sequential, systematic fashion and tied together by an organized theoretical system he was developing.
It would be unfortunate for the potential of the marathon to be unintentionally squandered by overzealous and indiscriminate application in contexts and for individuals for whom it is not appropriate. This is particularly important since there are already concerns among professionals and laymen alike about the potential intentional misuse of the marathon for devious purposes, such as brainwashing.
Finally, despite the maelstrom of controversy, it is important to keep in mind that there is potential for future society to benefit greatly from wise use of the marathon group. It appears that we have a tornado in a bottle, wondering how we can best release its power for the good of mankind, yet fearful for its potential (Day, 1970: 423).
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Here’s some Daytopian eloquence: Eupsychia, my ass.
Anonymous:
--- Quote from: "Inculcated" ---Daytopic program influences included among other program related references as originally Posted by Awake in other threads can be viewed at the following:
mk ultra
How you couldn’t really “fake it” (Act as if)
Cedu: Developing the program
--- Quote ---The most comprehensive compilation of criticisms of the group movement has been presented by Howard (1970). She notes that critics have claimed that groups:
(1) cause stirring wonderful things to happen, but the effects of these are not valid because they do not last; (2) use ridiculous jargon; (3) are pointless; . (4) invade privacy; ’ ’ (5) are anti-intellectual; (6) cheapen real emotion; (7) are guilty of phoniness; (8) lead to emotional elitism; (9) may get to be a cult; ( I 0) hypnotize their members; ( I 1 ) can be run by charlatans who are corrupt or mediocre; (12) foster sexual promiscuity; ( 13) encourage physical violence; , (14) do psychological damage; ( 15) are a hotbed of junkies and dope addicts; and (16) can be fatal.
Stoller, the foremost systematizer of the marathon, had far too short a period to develop his views. We are told (Kovacs, 1971: 12) that Stoller wanted to develop a new kind of growth center where all these techniques [i.e., psychotherapy, gestalt exercises, body movement techniques, encounter phenomena, and the myriad other burgeoning techniques which characterize our field] could be integrated in a sequential, systematic fashion and tied together by an organized theoretical system he was developing.
It would be unfortunate for the potential of the marathon to be unintentionally squandered by overzealous and indiscriminate application in contexts and for individuals for whom it is not appropriate. This is particularly important since there are already concerns among professionals and laymen alike about the potential intentional misuse of the marathon for devious purposes, such as brainwashing.
Finally, despite the maelstrom of controversy, it is important to keep in mind that there is potential for future society to benefit greatly from wise use of the marathon group. It appears that we have a tornado in a bottle, wondering how we can best release its power for the good of mankind, yet fearful for its potential (Day, 1970: 423).
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Here’s some Daytopian eloquence: Eupsychia, my ass.
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"AMEN"
Anonymous:
--- Quote from: "Semper Fi" ---
--- Quote from: "Inculcated" ---Daytopic program influences included among other program related references as originally Posted by Awake in other threads can be viewed at the following:
mk ultra
How you couldn’t really “fake it” (Act as if)
Cedu: Developing the program
--- Quote ---The most comprehensive compilation of criticisms of the group movement has been presented by Howard (1970). She notes that critics have claimed that groups:
(1) cause stirring wonderful things to happen, but the effects of these are not valid because they do not last; (2) use ridiculous jargon; (3) are pointless; . (4) invade privacy; ’ ’ (5) are anti-intellectual; (6) cheapen real emotion; (7) are guilty of phoniness; (8) lead to emotional elitism; (9) may get to be a cult; ( I 0) hypnotize their members; ( I 1 ) can be run by charlatans who are corrupt or mediocre; (12) foster sexual promiscuity; ( 13) encourage physical violence; , (14) do psychological damage; ( 15) are a hotbed of junkies and dope addicts; and (16) can be fatal.
Stoller, the foremost systematizer of the marathon, had far too short a period to develop his views. We are told (Kovacs, 1971: 12) that Stoller wanted to develop a new kind of growth center where all these techniques [i.e., psychotherapy, gestalt exercises, body movement techniques, encounter phenomena, and the myriad other burgeoning techniques which characterize our field] could be integrated in a sequential, systematic fashion and tied together by an organized theoretical system he was developing.
It would be unfortunate for the potential of the marathon to be unintentionally squandered by overzealous and indiscriminate application in contexts and for individuals for whom it is not appropriate. This is particularly important since there are already concerns among professionals and laymen alike about the potential intentional misuse of the marathon for devious purposes, such as brainwashing.
Finally, despite the maelstrom of controversy, it is important to keep in mind that there is potential for future society to benefit greatly from wise use of the marathon group. It appears that we have a tornado in a bottle, wondering how we can best release its power for the good of mankind, yet fearful for its potential (Day, 1970: 423).
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Here’s some Daytopian eloquence: Eupsychia, my ass.
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"AMEN"
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Incucated, you seem to have a lot of info either stored or available to you by other means which to say, is not important to my point here I will be getting to. Were you a resident of this particular program Daytop and where were you a resident of NYC, Ct, or Fla? My interest is sparked because you seem to have a knack for staying out of verbal insults/sparring and try to give pertinent info. Not that I agree with everything "you say" personally. You seem to have evolved into a person w/o resentment towards this institution and that is nothing short of a miracle, especially if you endured the abuse they doled out. Which I don't doubt. I took some liberties here with your posting to form these questions.
Inculcated:
--- Quote from: "Semper Fi" --- Incucated, you seem to have a lot of info either stored or available to you by other means which to say, is not important to my point here I will be getting to. Were you a resident of this particular program Daytop and where were you a resident of NYC, Ct, or Fla? .
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Yes, I was a resident in Daytop. I was in three of the NY locations following day treatment in Texas.
--- Quote from: "Semper Fi" --- My interest is sparked because you seem to have a knack for staying out of verbal insults/sparring and try to give pertinent info. Not that I agree with everything "you say" personally. .
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Thank you for the former.I have no such expectation of the latter.
--- Quote from: "Semper Fi" --- You seem to have evolved into a person w/o resentment towards this institution and that is nothing short of a miracle, especially if you endured the abuse they doled out. Which I don't doubt..
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I do have strongly negative feelings toward the practices and “practitioners” of the Daytop program; that are based on my experience of them and for all that they have inflicted on others.
--- Quote from: "Semper Fi" --- I took some liberties here with your posting to form these questions.
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I don’t find this inquiry to be off-putting or forward.
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