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Anonymous:
That's right, PHX. Keep telling yourself that you "did the right thing". Keep ignoring the horrifying truth. It must be pretty tough for you to cope with the guilt of having paid for your son to be imprisoned and abused.
So, now, to ease your guilt and keep that bubble you're living in occupied, you try to draw other parents into that same trap you fell into so long ago. I bet you don't tell them how much money you make out of their ignorance and vulnerability, do you? You don't tell them that WWASPS pays you $1000 for every parent you manage to recruit.
You will rot in hell for what you did to your son and for what you caused other parents to do to their own children.
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--- Quote ---On 2005-09-03 10:12:00, Anonymous wrote:
"Blue Hills? I live in AZ - Blue Hills is a very small spin off by a former WWASPS person. Don't know if she was an employee or what. Someone said she used to be married to David Gilcrease. Rumor maybe.
Anyway the pro of this would be that your kid is in AZ. The con would be there are no family support systems in place - there is a Phoenix family support group that meets once a month and tons of ways to connect with each other during other times. Kids went - graduate or not - come to the meetings too.
There are no parent/child workshops that I'm aware of nor are there any workshops/seminars for you as a parent to get your life to a different place (if you need it, of course) Some do, some don't.
Schools and programs that are overseen by WWASPS are always in the news - both good and bad. I have personal experience and know the bad is media hype - you know kinda like a famous person - the more famous they are the worse the stories. Usually always based on fact but twisted so it hardly even resembles the truth anymore.
There are thousands of success stories, but only a few that feel they were not given what they were promised. Funny thing is, WWASPS, nor each individual school promises anything. People hear only what they want to
If I wanted to believe my kid was being abused, I could have stupidly gone up to Cross Creek and pulled him out - didn't though, just made sure it wasn't true in other ways. He said anything he could in the beginning to get me to come and rescue him from having to follow rules or to get away from not being able to do what he pleased.
If you really read some of the stories about abuse, you'll certainly see what would motivate it. My son was there for 19 months and in all that time the only abuse he saw was the kids abusing the staff or their parents when they came to visit - his words. He's been home 5 years so it's not a "fresh" experience and his story hasn't changed.
Good luck to you in your research. It's always best to look at both sides.
Here's a couple of links that help on the "pro" side - not welcome on this site and will get a lot of blasting - I can take it.
http://www.wwasprebuttal.com/parent_references.html
If you're in AZ - you can get some information on the schools at http://www.arizonateenhelp.com - you won't be talking with someone somewhere in cyberspace - you will be getting info from parents that have been where you are right now and in the same area. As far as I know they aren't there to tell you what to do - only give you their personal experience and answer your questions. I'm not sure what happens after that other than talking to an admissions person if you decide that's what you want to do next.
But, please let us know if there's any pressure or anything that would be considered not right.
PHX"
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Not this dick again. This person is a programmie thru and thru and has financial connections to WWASP. Does a LOT of advertising for them.
jellybean:
How the heck are you supposed to know what is what here? I do know that kickback systems work well in United States to help businesses get referrals, it happens all the time in my business and I'm certain it happens in others. I am notorious in my business for refusing them, they are unethical so shame on anyone who accepts them for this purpose!
I am going to ask this question please don't blast me, objective input only, thanks
Does anyone know anything about Wilderness Quest?
Everything in moderation, including moderation.
Mark Twain
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WWASP and PHX information.
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Jelly, why are you so fixated on residential placement of your kid? CLEARLY his behavior doesn't rise to that level. Do you realize that he won't get any psychological care from these places?
It sounds like he's a normal kid dealing with some big, but normal, issues (like his dad's passing).
Believe us when we tell you these places WON'T HELP him to deal with grief and loss and will CREATE other issues that he'll be less likely to discuss with you or anyone else after the program shuts him down emotionally.
These programs provide TEMPORARY behavior modification, but do irrepairable psychological damage. He's not going to trust you after he feels abandoned and gets abused and told things like "your mom is sick of you that's why she left you here." Then, alone, he will begin to struggle with all of the prior problems, plus the abuse heaped on him in captivity.
These places are SCAMS designed solely for the purpose of separating a desperate fool from her money. I know because I worked at one of the industry's most expensive "flagships."
For $5000.00 per month your kid gets treated worse than your dog, and all the while they sequester him and abuse him and tell you he needs to stay longer and you can't talk to him because he's being "defiant" or he's not "working the program." "Trust the process" they'll tell you. That is until you run out of money, then your kid will be out on his ass so fast it'll make your head spin.
Jelly, seriously consider what you're doing here. Don't let this become "program shopping." Take your time and talk to your kid's therapist.
If residential care is warranted (and I'm sure s/he'll say it isn't), use in-patient programs near your home. If he really needs an in-patient level of psychiatric care, at least respect him enough not to hand him over to pseudo-psychological hacks with no degree or training or certification or license.
Jelly, help save your kid from hell, don't weave the basket...
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--- Quote ---On 2005-09-03 11:12:00, jellybean wrote:
"How the heck are you supposed to know what is what here? I do know that kickback systems work well in United States to help businesses get referrals, it happens all the time in my business and I'm certain it happens in others. I am notorious in my business for refusing them, they are unethical so shame on anyone who accepts them for this purpose!
I am going to ask this question please don't blast me, objective input only, thanks
Does anyone know anything about Wilderness Quest?
Everything in moderation, including moderation.
Mark Twain
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It's a 12-step (AA model) "wilderness" program for drug addicted/alcoholic teenagers.
12-step programs have been proven to be one of the least effective modalities for getting kids off drugs. More often than not, the kids exchange "war stories" and learn about other types of drugs and how to use them without getting caught (again).
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