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Maia Szalavitz and Evan Wright RIGHT NOW at CATO!
« on: April 20, 2006, 11:58:00 AM »
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As the War on Drugs continues to fill America's prisons with nonviolent offenders, many cities and states are looking at mandatory treatment as an alternative to incarceration. Although treatment is generally preferable to prison, not all methods of treating drug addiction are the same. Some methods, particularly the "tough love" programs aimed at teens and adolescents, have documented records of mental abuse, physical abuse, and even death.

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« Reply #1 on: April 20, 2006, 05:24:00 PM »
An informative and honest discussion, it was nice to put faces to the few voices that are out there exposing the untruths about "behavior modification programs" and "tough love" against teens in the USA.

It's so nice to have advocates that are as articulate and intelligent as Ms. Szalavitz, and Mr. Wright. I know they understand the intensity of emotion involved already in teen years, and how it is possible that institutions like these harm families in their sometimes obvious quest for economic gains. I look forward to seeing more on this important topic and Ms. Szalavitz's latest ground breaking work. [ This Message was edited by: blownawaytheidahoway on 2006-04-20 14:24 ]
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« Reply #2 on: April 21, 2006, 10:22:00 AM »
I really appreciate what Evan said about how people perceive us and what Maia said about how blithely parents ta' day take away those vital years of passage from their kids.

Not that the government indoctrination centers are quite the same as authentic community. But they're less complete in their control structures. And so those vital high school years are all about the adventures and escapades that grow out of working around that system.

Think about it. When old school friends get together after some years, do they reminisce about those wonderful biology lectures Mr. Doherty gave? Or how much they missed those period bells and how they've thought about having them installed in their own homes?

No. Sometimes they'll talk about a singularly decent mentor or teacher. But those things that make those people great are all about how they, too, work around the system to sneak a little humanity into the mix.

These other programs about which Maia and Evan write, they're just an outgrowth or response to the failures of the Prussian gymnasium system after which our public school system is modeled*. When a kid bucks all of that enough to frighten the parents, the parents themselves never had anything different or better. In these generations, they don't even know what's missing. And so they fall for the sales pitch.

"Angry, uncooperative, inconvenient kid? At a loss as to how to bring them into conformity? Fear not, m'lady! We can make all that anger and rebellion go away, make them compliant and clean cut, just like you wanted. Just get your credit card out and call 1-800-snatch-my-kid ..."

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http://www.johntaylorgatto.com/underground/toc1.htm

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« Reply #3 on: April 21, 2006, 10:25:00 AM »
Evan made two great points:

1. 'Breaking down' someone deliberately (so they 'hit bottom') to soften them up for treatment is wrong.

2. Tying unregulated, non-professional 'treatment' to 'profit' is wrong.

The two points above he uses to contrast 'therapuetic treatment' programs to AA, which is (or should be) voluntary, non-coercive, and free. Many programs have taken the 12 steps and tied them to coercion, and to profit.
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