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Antigen:

--- Quote ---On 2005-08-13 18:58:00, Stripe wrote:

I think the rehab industry is, to use a term I despise to this day, a "fullofshit" industry. But worse than being "fullofshit," it's an industry. And you and I and every other seed graduate or non-graduate, we are products of the industry, like it or not. We were imprinted with a programmed thought pattern - a set of specific regs to follow - a paradigm under which to operate. (you say a goodseed/ I say a bad seed). But either way, we both were imprinted with that knowledge and sent out in the world to use it for the betterment of the seed society. And what does not fit into the paradigm is totally rejected - from sibligs to parents, to friends, to jobs, to schools, to lovers, husbands and wives. Just your basic experiment in social engineering. Only no one asked us if we wanted to be part of it. No one.
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See? That's what I'm talkin' about. When I was a little kid growing up in Pompano, we had a defacto neighborhood watch program. We used to call them the Iggys because they were old and stooped and Mrs. Iggy had this Al Sharpton thing going up top. There were no secrets in Lyons Park, except the open kind (like Mr. Folks was gay and the firemen are not generally faithful to their wives) But the day in the life of a kid growing up in that community was pretty idylic compared to what we've got going there now.

Then, if a kid cut class or damaged a neighbor's property or stole candy frm 7-11, our dad found out and dealt with it. Now? The school resource officer will hunt them down, place them under arrest and transport them down to the Juvenile Intervention Facility (JIF) for assessment and intervention. And, we're told, that good citizens join the neighborhood vigilante (oops! neighborhood watch) program and report directly to law enforcement. They even have seperate toll free hotlines for truancy and other suspicious activity.

Have you checked into Peer Counseling in the schools? My oldest daughter was assigned that program in 9th grade. It stuck in my craw, it did. I just wasn't comfortable w/ the idea of 14yo kids as the first line intervention for the personal issues of other 14yo kids and a lot of other aspects of the program.

So, for years, I thought I was just paranoid. I found out a couple of years later that Peer Counseling, as implimented in Broward County Schools, was developed and marketed by none other than Bill Oliver, former Straight, Fairfax exutive staff. Same w/ DARE. Creeped me out for a hundred reasons. Later, I found that it's founder, Daryle Gates, LAPD chief, had been involved in trying to establish a Seed and then a Straight in So. Cali and that Betty Sembler is on the boa of Dare America and a whole slew of other murky, government funded drug nazi organizations.

So it's not just my imagination. And yes, I remain angry about it. I'm angered that, after all I went through and all I gave up in the course of escaping that cult that they've manuevered very successfully to gain access to my kids through compulsory schooling. I'm pissed as hell that I have to pay for it, too!

But you can't question these things w/o getting a very Seedling-like response from those involved. You just got and try discussing with the local school resource officer the wisdom of turning 10yos into CIs w/o compensation, informed consent or any of the protections normally afforded to undercover officers. It's a taboo subject. Our children are conscripted. Anyone who questions any aspect of it is smeared and accused of being the worst kind of person.


The cultural hunger for a substance that lets you hold affordable conversations with God, watch walls melt, breathe colors, and explore your psyche remains unsated.
--Ryan Grim for Slate, April 1, 2004
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Anonymous:
Actually it was quite small in St. Pete the year before it closed and there was no getting lost in the crowd, there was no crowd.  

I remember a rap with Darlene leading it where she talked about taking what we needed from the program and leaving the rest, that we were merely being given the tools to make choices in our adult lives.  I remember her talking about the use of alcohol and drinking in our futures.  It was neither a negative nor a positive, just about making informed adult decisions.  At least that was my take on what she had to say.  

Which is why in my opinion my life now is so much more than the 9 months I spent there.  It's a part of me, but I am not defined by the time I spent there.

Antigen:
That's just really hard for me to imagine. However, Marshall brought up Marnie's name recently. That makes me think. I remember her very well and very fondly. She and a gal named Cheryl were on staff together and, it seemed like, close friends. They both were just less strident, more well intended.

Marnie did stand up all the newcomer girls and apologize for a truely horrific round of haircuts. The "stylist" was a dog groomer who had never cut any human's hair except her poor, longsuffering sons'.

Naturally, we in group never got an iota of info about why they poofed out of our reality one day. But I can believe it was because they finally figured out that there just was no mitigating the disaster.

But still, I can't imagine any staffer from either The Seed or Straight standing in front of group discussing future drug and alcohol use in terms other than harsh condemnation.  
I can very well do without God both in my life and in my painting, but I cannot, suffering as I am, do without something which is greater than I am, which is my life, the power to create.
--Vincent Van Gogh, Dutch painter
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Anonymous:
Hard to imagine or believe, but true.  At the end, St. Pete was a fairly quiet place.

Ft. Lauderdale:
I wondered for years why the chicks in St. Pete looked like poodles. :grin:

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