Treatment Abuse, Behavior Modification, Thought Reform > The Troubled Teen Industry
Concern for a "student"
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On 2005-08-15 07:27:00, Anonymous wrote:
"I don't know either one of those people other than to see their names mentioned on this board. The fact that someone wants to be able to pay their mortgage and car payment and have a 401k does not make a program owner a criminal anyway. Once again, Dysfunction, your generalizations and "know it all" attitude are extremely narrow minded. I find it comical that you think you know who every Anon is :wstupid:
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Shortbus:
Does it really matter whether a program is not for profit? It usually just means the management staff/owners pull a bigger paycheck.
Antigen:
--- Quote ---On 2005-08-14 20:18:00, Anonymous wrote:
"I am not a lawyer. Why do you care WHAT or WHO the Anon people are? There are obviously many different ones and most probably don't know each other. Once again, it doesn't take a program parent, employee, ed consultant, or lawyer to see through the blind bashing of programs some of which are perfectly fine. Some are not, but the slant of these boards is to make the assumption that every single facility in the United States is a horrible place where abuse takes place daily to every student and where every director/owner, whatever is out to make money and nothing else. A little bizarre to say the least!"
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No, usually the anons who hang around for any lenght of time have some direct tie to "the industry". And they often invite ppl they know to join it (as w/ any other area of interest). And people also tend to contact others privately; to make friends after they come along here. So, generally speaking, the anons and the people who post under a handle do know each other to some extent.
It is not at all bizarre to wonder what someone's interest or connection to "the industry" is. In fact, it's rather unusual (though welcome as anything) when someone comes along who has not got a personal stake in it, aside from just a general interest in social affairs. It does happen, but it's not the norm. So it's not the least bit bizarre for someone to assume that an interested, avid reader/poster to these forums has some sort of connection to the industry.
Now, about "the industry". Note that there's not a single forum dedicated to the Groton School or Catholic schools (though there are a good many references and comparisons) They keywords, proper names and terminology all coalesce around that segment of businesses that self identify as "the troubled teen industry." So far, I haven't found a single business operating under that banner, that does not encompass at least some of the old Synanon based methods. It's almost a safe bet that, if it's advertised in the usual parent as pseudo professional consultant type settings, what they're selling is something very similar to that.
Show me one that doesn't fit that profile? Show me one that does not take involuntary students, does provide a means of redress for the student, does not employ controls on communication and other thought reform techniques. Go ahead. Name the damned place, please!
What experiences and history teach is this-that people and government never have learned anything from history, or acted on principles deduced from it.
--G.W.F Hegel (1770-1831)
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OK, then, how about a NON-PROFIT?
Here's an update from the NY Times about the great gear kids get for their "wilderness vacation" :
"Kids are then given standard issue khakis, a T-shirt, a bandanna and a pair of hiking boots. They get a tarp, a wool blanket, 20 feet of parachute cord and 12 feet of strap, and from those items must learn to construct a backpack in which to store their sleeping bags and ground pads, water bottles, water purifier drops, enamel cups and week's supply of food: rice, lentils, raisins and oats."
This refers to RedCliff, one of the "better ones."
Here's some more from the NY Times about KareninDallas and Full-of-Shit Dad:
"I asked Schill about this as we sat talking in the RCA office the evening I returned from the field. "Yeah, we get some pretty low-functioning parents," he said. "Sometimes we'll call the parents to come for the graduation ceremony and they'll say: 'Can you hold my kid for a couple more weeks? We're going to be on vacation.' "
Karen: "Gotta finish up that vacation! The kid cramps our style. Be back in a few weeks. Send me the bill!!"
Some more...
"I could not keep from wondering about their parents. "I'll tell you what," Steve Peterson said to me at the RCA field office. "I'd like to get some of these parents out in the wilderness for a couple of weeks. I had this one dad who called me up saying the program didn't work, and he wanted to send his kid back. I asked him why, and he said, 'Because the kid stole my marijuana stash.' "
Full-of-Shit-Dad: "Ben, you smoked my shit again! That's it, back to wilderness for you. I can't BELIEVE IT!"
Gotta love the hypocritical programmie-types! :nworthy:
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