Treatment Abuse, Behavior Modification, Thought Reform > The Troubled Teen Industry
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Deborah:
Here's the deal anon.
If you want to name the program you used or promote, we can certainly evaluate those things specific to that program.
Generally, yes that statement has histoically been proven to be true about the industry.
Fifty-some dead teens speaks loud. Something ain't right with this mode of 'therapy'. If it had been certain rx drugs or an herb that had killed this many teens, it would be off the market.
Shortbus:
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On 2005-08-14 11:46:00, Shortbus wrote:
"There are probably people out there trying to get rich in this industry.... but think about it, there are way easier ways to make a buck than wilderness therapy or theraputic boarding schools. Heck, become a dirtbag building contractor!
On another note, I just spent a while reading this thread. Lordy it was long. There are some pretty harsh posts in it. If some of you fornits old timers want to run new folks off I can see that it might work. If its just a trial by fire kinda thing I can understand that too but let people know what the intention is. Most of the topics produce stong emotions and opinions are pretty polarized. I like hearing from different sides - keeps things interesting.
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I disagree. I know of few other ways to make THAT MUCH money with no accountablity whatsoever.
Think about it: $4000.00 per month per child in a facility that warehouses, let's say, 100 kids.
That's $4,800,000.00 per year gross income. I know from working in this business, the the "top-end" places (the $4000.00/month type) operate at roughly 40% profit.
So, the owner and any shareholders will whack up $1.92 million in profits yearly.
This leaves just over $2 million for pay, facilities, food, etc. That's plenty to run a campus.
Also, think about places that are charging $300.00-$700.00 per DAY for WILDERNESS "therapy." They're making an ENORMOUS profit.
They give the kids virtually no gear, no facilities, no medical treatment, hardly any food and supply a couple of uneducated, untrained staff that get paid $400.00 per WEEK. Make no mistake about it, they're RAKING IT IN.
If they weren't in it for the money, why would they resist regulation so vehemently?
I'll tell you why. It's because if they're regulated, they will have to provide actual SERVICES and ADEQUATE care, and that costs MONEY, which will have to come out of their pockets.
If they were in it to help children, don't you think they'd want to use the best possible practices as outlined by the government and professional groups like the APA?
If so, why don't they?
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In many respects you are right, it still seems like a lot of work to put out a shingle, reel parents in and take their money. It would be so much easier to sit in an internet cafe in Nigeria and send out scam emails! And yeah, after working at programs and knowing how much I got paid and how much they charge parents I have wondered who's getting all the dough. :???: As for regulation, we all know its a mixed blessing. More regulation is not necessarily good regulation. But when talking about caregiving, more regulation is probably a good thing. But if I was a parent looking to send my kid away - whether its to a TBS or YMCA camp, Id do a heck of a lot of research before I acted. If I was coming up empty-handed as is the case with the program that was initially mentioned in this thread, Id probably put that program in the red flag pile.
Wow, who charges $700/day? Most are around $300, I think Adirondack Leadership charges $400+/day. I thought that was high.
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Its never too late to procrastinate[ This Message was edited by: Shortbus on 2005-08-14 17:20 ]
Anonymous:
Um, count again...Im an Anon, and have not posted in the past 5 hours. nobody knows just how many Anons or whether they are female or not. Don't blame all these posts against your positions on two Anons. There are many.
Deborah:
What???
Anonymous:
The comment about many Anons refers to this post from you Deborah...there are not two Anons...nor do they all know each other. That is just a guess on your part. Obviously there are more than 2 people who disagree with you.
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