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Note to John Underwood
Anonymous:
--- Quote ---On 2005-08-09 08:10:00, Anonymous wrote:
"I mean you could argue it's really a weed dude...
CL"
--- End quote ---
You could if it wasn't for the fact that it is an annual food crop...
The seed indeed. Raise us from a little seedling to big ole tree...er I mean a batch of Mustard greens.
:grin:
Anonymous:
If this gets into bible stuff, then was it a religous cult or a drug rehab cult?
Too funny: that the debate is whether it's a bush or a tree. :grin:
Here's the difinitve answer regarding the whole mustard seed reference - Book of Matther Chapter 31 (copied from "ChrisitanAnswers" on the web. Take it for what it's worth:
Please note that Jesus was not comparing the mustard seed to all other seeds in the world, but to seeds that a local, Palestinian farmer might have "sowed in his field," i.e., a key qualifying phrase in verse 31. And it's absolutely true that the black mustard seed (Brassica nigra = Sinapis nigra) was the smallest seed ever sown by a first-century farmer in that part of the world.
It's also true, as many modern-day encyclopedias will tell you, that the black mustard seed in Israel will typically grow to heights of 3.7 meters, or twelve (12) feet) -- plenty large enough to hold a bird nest.
BACK TO ME: So the bush/tree debate is much like the continuous debate we have - good seed vs. bad seed foundations...
I suppose it's all how the bird or seedling perceives the place where he wants to build his nest. If it looks like a bush and the bird thinks it's a bush, then for that bird, it's a bush and probably not a good, safe place to build his nest.
Similarly, if it looks like a tree and the bird thinks it's a tree, then the bird obviously feels safe enough to build his nest there.
See the analogy here between us seedlings, the nest and the birds?
Still no answer, though, is there?
Ft. Lauderdale:
Its becomming hard to see the forest through the mustard trees. :rofl:
GregFL:
no doubt that was copied from "christian answers". 12 feet is an exageration and again...it is an ANNUAL crop, not a tree.
here is a description from Botanicals.com of "black mustard plants....just to settle this.
Habitat---The Black Mustard grows throughout Europe, except in the north-eastern parts, also in South Siberia, Asia Minor and Northern Africa, and is naturalized in North and South America. It is largely cultivated in England, Holland, Italy, Germany and elsewhere for the sake of the seed, used partly as a condiment, and partly for its oil.
---Description---It is an erect annual, 3 feet or more in height, with smaller flowers than the White Mustard. The spear-shaped, upper leaves, linear, pointed, entire and smooth, and the shortly-beaked pods, readily distinguish it from the former species. The smooth, erect flattened pods, each provided with a short slender beak, contain about ten to twelve dark reddish-brown or black seeds, which are collected when ripe and dried. They are about half the size of White Mustard seeds, but possess similar properties. The seedcoat is thin and brittle and covered with minute pits. Like the White Mustard, the seeds are inodorous, even when powdered, though a pungent odour is noticeable when moistened with water, owing to the formation of volatile oil of Mustard, which is colourless or pale yellow, with an intensely penetrating odour and a very acrid taste.
....The Black Mustard is said to have been employed by the Romans as a green vegetable. The young leaves may be eaten as salad in place of those of the White variety, but are more pungent.
What you see on the internet by SOME (not all christians) is an attempt to make the scripture fit facts. They attribute it to other plants..they exagerate the size, they leave off pertinent information (the plant is an annual food crop). IF you poke around a bit, you will find christians that this topic really concerns that don't set out to justify innacuracies in the bible.
Up next, why is a bat a bird? :grin:
Nevermind. Any more discussion on this should be moved. We have effectively hijacked the thread. The whole thing started by a poster claiming he has a Mustard tree in his back yard, grown from a mustard seed from his kitchen.
The poignant question is why would he feel the need to lie?
Anonymous:
Oh because you personally know him it could not be a lie? Sounds like you've totally bought into it hook line and sinker.
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