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'BRAT CAMP' CHANGES LIFE FOR THE BETTER

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OverLordd:
Wow short bus that really is discusting.

Cognative therapy is Behavior modification, its not in the regular sence, but you are forc feeding a person information in hopes that it will stick and they will change. You giving them "Tools" is just you giving him things that will change his behavior! Forced practice of these ideas and punishment if they dont address it the way you wish is also behavior modification. You may not beat and emotionally abuse the child, but damn it if your not BM'ing him.

Anonymous:
I have never heard of cognitive therapy, but I have heard of cognitive behavioral therapy. It has always been referred to as CBT, though, never CT. Maybe CT is a bastardized version of it, or something. And I've never heard of it being used in a behavior mod setting, either.

I'm actually going to a CBT group right now, because I suffer from depression. CBT is normally used in conjunction with meds, not instead of, for people who suffer from clinical depression or bipolar disorder. It's highly effective at intervening in negative thought processes, from what I've been told, (I just started the group.) but you have to want to use it. I can't imagine it working if you are being forced to use it, or if you don't want to, because you have to practice it regularly at first. There's literally no point. That would simply create more negative thought patterns, and resentment if it's something you have to do whether you want to or not. It's counterintuitive.

Antigen:

--- Quote ---On 2005-08-11 04:22:00, Shortbus wrote:

"My parents dont love me, they hate me, theyre want to change me and make me someone different."
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Very astute. That's exactly what's going on.
Impiety: Your irreverence toward my deity.
--Ambrose Bierce
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Anonymous:
The discussion of CT and CBT is a little fuzzy at this point.  

Yes, there is cognitive therapy (CT) that is practiced as an independent approach---Aaron Beck is generally seen as the "father" of this discipline---although Kelly is considered an important founder also. More common these days, I would agree, is  cognitive-behavioral therapy (CBT).

In CT, the idea is to change your thinking, with the effect that changes in your mood and general approach to life will follow. In CBT, both thoughts and behaviors can be worked with to bring about life change and there is some pretty good effectiveness data on this approach for a lot of conditions.

I wouldn't say that CBT is always used along with meds, sometimes it is used completely separately even with moderately depressed people, but the two can be used together---or meds can be used with CBT at first--and then the meds are tapered off as the client gets some level of energy back and can really participate in the CBT process.

Antigen:
Let me tell you, it was the height of lunacy in Straight. When I was there, some chosen 4th and 5th phasers and staff trainees got to take a specially crafted version of Rational Self Therapy and Rational Self Analysis. This was like a regular class that we took a couple of times per week for an hour or two. Like a regular class except, of course, that the students usually sat cross legged in rows on the floor of the sweat soaked carpet room and that it took place in the context of a totally authoritarian, lunatic little cult.

I enjoyed those classes very much. It was just so nice to be allowed to think and talk in a way that made sense. But you still had to mind your words carefully. One concept I remember from that course was about how we are each responsible for the way we feel about and respond to any perception. "No one can make you feel anything, you choose to feel the way you do based on your perceptions and your thoughts about them."

The down side, of course, was trying to keep a straight face and a closed mouth when I or anyone else was being lambasted for making our parents feel desperate and ashamed or whatever.

Yeah, in the context of a coercive, insane program, RSA/CBT was just another mindfuck.
I do not believe in the collective wisdom of individual ignorance.

--Thomas Carlyle
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