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BRAT CAMP TEEN ARRESTED
Deborah:
***I didn't think so. I think Frank pretty much just let it all roll off.
Ditto. I think Frank had the program pegged from the get go and how to do just enough to get by.
Why are they editing out all the 'private' counseling sessions with Isaiah and Frank???
What manly advice and guidance is Flying Eagle giving these two?
***Ok, so there are 12 people hanging around a camp fire. All of them want to stay warm. All of them have a few weeks practice and observation w/ tending a camp fire. How come none of the others said "Fuck this, I'll tend the damned fire."?
Because Fire Shaper declared that if Isaiah didn't build a fire there wouldn't be one. Guilt trip material. Sick the peers on him material. Several of the kids encouraged (begged) him. He relented.
Interesting too that when Isaiah flatly said No, I'm not doin it.
Nick goes, 'uh oh'.
I think they call it Peer Pressure.. aka Supportive Peer Culture. hehe
None of them want to spoil their chance of going home Xmas.
It was Lauren who questioned if the changes were 'real'. I think she was savvy enough to question, but have always seen her as a wilderness staffer in training.
Notice the expressions she makes, like when Derrick was dropping a load at the top of the repelling cliff, or Nick was being publicly humiliated in the cooking scene when he couldn't divide 15 by 3.
She also made some comment like, everytime there's something that needs to get done Derek's over there scrathing his ass.
Anonymous:
Anonymous 2005-08-04 09:28:00 Said ? ?MENTORING IS THE BEST SOLUTION plus anger management.?
Deborah What is this 'outside' of wich you speak? 2005-08-04 10:28:00 Said --?I think he (and the others)needs someone who will take a vested interest in him and guide him- in the real world, not a program or jail. Help him find what makes him passionate. Where he could put his time and attention in a more constructive way. Perhaps he needs some career counseling and a good mentor in his chosen area of interest.?
I agree that mentoring, together with appropriate counseling is a great option and should be tried before more extreme interventions. I?m convinced that troubled kids need ATTENTION (not the negative kind of attention that acting out creates)!!!! Kids also need someone who LISTENS TO THEM!!!! From me personal experience of being a mentor 4 different times in various ways (Big Brothers & Big Sisters, juvenile detention mentoring, internet) three of the four kids responded positively to the experience. None made miraculous changes, but it was obvious that they took something valuable away from the experience. And I think radical behavior changes take much longer than any program?s time frame. If you?ve noticed, people change very slowly, and many people work on their issues their entire lives. Kids are no different. Change takes time?so obviously I think Mentoring should be a long-term friendship.
Also I think Frank in particular has a lot of potential even though its obvious he?s not ?embracing the program.? I guess I say that because I was a lot like him at that age (his attitude).
Shortbus 2005-08-04 10:29:00 Said ? ?And if you?ve got problems with authority its best to work for yourself. IF you?ve got the initiative and energy. Don?t like authority and don?t like to follow the rules... those are the types that make change happen.?
I completely agree?I wish more people realized that those kids who don?t follow the rules, live life their own way are potential innovators! Kids like Frank just need to learn how to channel their non-conformist ways into something healthy and productive that also suits their own interests.
Kris
Jeff_Berryman:
I haven't been watching the show because I vowed to boycott ABC as long as it ran. It's really poetic that the idol's feet of clay have been revealed so quickly.
I thought this show was going to glorify the industry and cause a boom in fly-by-night programs. Things seem to be working out a little differently. This may turn out to be the worst public relations disaster the industry has had in a long time.
Deborah:
One can hope. But the next show is apparently already in the planning:
http://discuss.ctv.ca/forums/showthread.php?t=1707
i recently read a thread titled "exploiting kids for a profit" and one of the first lines read that the counselors dont care about the kids. this line upset me greatly in that i do work for one of the premier wilderness therapy programs in the country in south central utah and there is NOT one counselor or therapist or for that matter one employee of our company that does not care about any of our students. i do not feel that any one who works in the mental health field/ therapeutic field who does not care about the students or patients we work with. if we did not care, we would not be doing the work we are doing.
as a program we are the next "victim" to get a chance to be flimed by the 20/20 company that films the brat camp series; and i hope that if given a chance you all will watch the new one and see that there are programs who work hard to do the best work possible for the students.
i could go on for a long time in defense of our industry (wilderness therapy) but alas, i need to go to work tomorow for the next 7 days woirking with students who have all sorts of diagnosable disorders ranging from crystal meth dependence to attention deficit disorder. i also will be with the parents of these children on monday as the students i will see are completing their stay here in utah.
if you would like more information please email me at meddy0421@scinternet.net.
AtomicAnt:
--- Quote ---On 2005-08-04 11:56:00, Deborah wrote:
"
Did anyone see the trailer for PrimeTime that aired during BC?
Tonight: The Lost Kids Behind Bars
Teens in prison"
--- End quote ---
I'm going to watch it. I also picked up the newest issue of Time. The cover story is '13.' It purports to examine what it means to be 13 years old these days. I haven't read it, yet.
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