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« Reply #1815 on: December 29, 2006, 11:05:14 PM »
Niles- please read more carefully.  I was responding to Deb's post about her son's strengths being destroyed by the program.  The excellent therapists at 2N used my son's strengths as assets in his therapeutic program and that is why he gained insight and confidence from the program.
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« Reply #1816 on: December 29, 2006, 11:06:04 PM »
Which makes up for all the other bullshit at 2N, which you yourself told us?

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« Reply #1817 on: December 29, 2006, 11:06:38 PM »
I know a lot about the therapy at 2N, because we were very involved in it.  I am not going to spit it all out here, but it was very individualized and it DID build on my son's specific strengths and needs.  It was NOT one size fits all and it did not depend on breaking him down.
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« Reply #1818 on: December 29, 2006, 11:08:05 PM »
But the rest of the wilderness program was there... why? Something for all of the big bear/indian feather/thunderbird/skyfalcon/stinky moose named counselors to do?

You cant put a cherry on top of a turd and just focus on the cherry.

What is this therapy anyway? What did it entail?
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« Reply #1819 on: December 29, 2006, 11:08:35 PM »
I don't regard anything at 2N as bullshit.  My son got something out of all of it.  I (and he) have no complaints about 2N.  Perhaps others would, but I haven't heard of any.  He had good therapists.  You might not agree with the woods setting, the food, whatever, but the key was that his therapists were outstanding.  We've covered this ground.
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« Reply #1820 on: December 29, 2006, 11:09:11 PM »
What did they DO.

The only specifics I got out of that was impact letters and the whole CONFRONTATION stuff at the end of it with you present.
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« Reply #1821 on: December 29, 2006, 11:09:16 PM »
There were no Indian names.
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« Reply #1822 on: December 29, 2006, 11:09:36 PM »
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There were no Indian names.


Ok, whatever.

What did they do for therapy?
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« Reply #1823 on: December 29, 2006, 11:11:14 PM »
Niles- it was my son's and our family's therapy.  Specific assignments were given to my son which had to do with his specific issues and goals.  A lot of time was spent on the phone with us.  The suggestions and analysis were spot on.  The way they approached our son was just right-  they knew he was intelligent.  He was not talked down to, not belittled.
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« Reply #1824 on: December 29, 2006, 11:11:48 PM »
What assignments. Could you give examples?
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« Reply #1825 on: December 29, 2006, 11:16:44 PM »
I'll give you an example, but there is no way you are going to appreciate the effectiveness of this without knowing our son, his history and his temperament more than you do.

He was given an assignment where everytime he regarded himself as an "exception" he was to announce it.  In other words, if they were told to go wash off their cups, and he thought to himself, "I don't have to do that right now", he had to announce that he was an exception.  It was humorous, but very effective in teaching him how often he saw himself as an exception to everything.  (not that this has changed all that much- but the awareness of it was a big breakthrough-  i.e. the 110 mph ticket last February  :)    )     We still use it around here- half joking.
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« Reply #1826 on: December 29, 2006, 11:19:44 PM »
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I'll give you an example, but there is no way you are going to appreciate the effectiveness of this without knowing our son, his history and his temperament more than you do.

Uh, what?

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He was given an assignment where everytime he regarded himself as an "exception" he was to announce it.  In other words, if they were told to go wash off their cups, and he thought to himself, "I don't have to do that right now", he had to announce that he was an exception.  It was humorous, but very effective in teaching him how often he saw himself as an exception to everything.  (not that this has changed all that much- but the awareness of it was a big breakthrough-  i.e. the 110 mph ticket last February  :)    )     We still use it around here- half joking.


Woa, BIG RED FLAG here.

Also, now I see why you phrased it like that, because the duck test here says thats not therapy, thats the kind of psycho-mental nonsense (what some call a "mind fuck") we rail against as abusive.
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« Reply #1827 on: December 29, 2006, 11:21:25 PM »
Well, forgive me for trusting this awesome PhD psychologist over you. If you think this is a bad thing, you are really over the edge.
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« Reply #1828 on: December 29, 2006, 11:22:05 PM »
Right, whats the psychs' name? Is that person's name on the web page 2N has?

Dr who, exactly?
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« Reply #1829 on: December 29, 2006, 11:31:49 PM »
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He was given an assignment where everytime he regarded himself as an "exception" he was to announce it.  In other words, if they were told to go wash off their cups, and he thought to himself, "I don't have to do that right now", he had to announce that he was an exception.  It was humorous, but very effective in teaching him how often he saw himself as an exception to everything.

That's not brainwashing niles.  nor is it abusive.  at least not as she described it.  How could they force him to announce things? it was to get him to think about his actions. that was good. not bad (jesus.  i can't believe i just said that)

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 (not that this has changed all that much- but the awareness of it was a big breakthrough-  i.e. the 110 mph ticket last February  :)    )     We still use it around here- half joking.


Hah.  i clocked 120
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