Treatment Abuse, Behavior Modification, Thought Reform > The Troubled Teen Industry
Carlbrook
Anonymous:
No one said everyone needs wilderness first. There are many programs that don't require wilderness first. If you are going to go to Carlbrook, you will go to wilderness first. They have a waiting list, so they can require what they want.
The more senior students do not dole out punishments. Consequences for rule violations range from writing assignments, being on "bans" with certain other students, outdoor chores, to not being able to go to classes or a return to wilderness (for running away, hurting yourself or someone else or continued refusal to follow rules). The students look forward to the workshops and earn the right to go to them. They come at certain points in the program. There are excellent trained psychologists on the staff and most (not all) are respected by the kids. The senior level staff is very available and one of the directors sleeps on campus (they rotate)every night.
Hate to tell you- but coersion is a fact of life the way your describe it. If you don't do your work at your job, you might get fired. Isn't that coersion? There are always choices to be made. Most of the kids at Carlbrook find it to be a pretty good alternative to where they could be. Their transcripts are fixed and they have college counseling. The kids are mainly from wealthy families and there is a preppy element. Many have been kicked out of private prep schools.
Nihil- I see nothing in your background that gives you any credibility here.
Deborah:
Carlbrook is the newest version, and probably does appeal to the 'wealthier' parents as stated previously. It's roots go deep into CEDU land.
Carlbrook Players
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Nihilanthic:
Do you know what "ad hominem" means? Do you know that you just made that fallacy in arguement again?
A question is a question regardless of who asked it. It doesnt matter if Stephen Hawking or Paris Hilton says it, what is, is. Stop pulling that old excuse out of your hat!
Yeah, you are right, Carlbrook can do whatever the hell they want, but thats irrelevant to what I have to say. WHY do they do it, WHAT is the reason for it, and what would explain this as necessary and/or beneficial?
To assume it might be BUSINESS related is a fairly safe assumption, given the nature of it being a treatment INDUSTRY. Im sure there may be philosophical reasons behind that requiement in treatment, but its also naive to think that business partnerships dont play a role.
BTW, why not tell us some details about how carlbrook and the workshops go... the ones you didnt answer last time.
1. what powers do the higher level students have?
2. how are those decisions enforced?
3. are they final?
4. who holds THEM accountable?
5. how do the workshops work
6. what happens if they dont like them or refuse to participate
7. how long are they?
8. could you describe one?
Again, it doesnt matter who asked those questions, theyre just as valid regardless of whose mouth they come out of - Lon Woodbury, Ken Kay, ME, or Donld Duck!
Never doubt that a small group of thoughtful committed people can change the world. Indeed it is the only thing that ever has.
-- Margaret Mead
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Anonymous:
I am not aware of any powers that more senior students have. They have more privileges, of course. They are accountable to their peers and to staff. The workshops range from one day to several days. I have never heard of a student NOT liking them. Each one has a focus. I think the first one involves Truth- getting at who you really are. The leaders (staff) do an excellent job conducting the workshops and there is peer support by a couple of more senior students. One has Friendship as its theme. The peer groups really bond with each other, and the workshops cement this bond.
There aren't many of these kids who would have stayed on the Carlbrook property if they had not first gone to wilderness and got free of substances and began the therapeutic work. Wilderness first is a good idea.
Anonymous:
--- Quote ---On 2005-08-08 15:20:00, Anonymous wrote:
"Can you read? Carlbrook is not locked. Many of the kids are already in wilderness before the parents even learn about Carlbrook as a next step option. Wilderness is a frequent first step taken by desperate parents whose teens need immediate help in a very different environment from that in the home community. After the kids detox and spend some time getting at their core issues in wilderness, they are ready to move into a school environment such as Carlbrook or Oakley. "
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WT is a joke. You want your kid to detox? Take em out to the wilderness yourself, bozo. Pull up a camp stool and get out your yellow pad. Take notes. Get a nickname (TEEN BUSTER?) and tell your kid how he needs to do as you say, not as you do.
Teens need parents, not wilderness guides on a power trip.
Sheesh, you parents are just dopes. Flippin stupid!
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