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Carlbrook
E Adams:
Guest, No one left anyone alone. I split, did fulltimes and wd's, had a rap named after me since I was the only one indicted for 3.5 hrs, I was on bans from all but 5 people my first Christmas, I was never a staff, do not talk to any staff, was never asked to be staff. I don't know if you're reading the same thing. Were you there? I would venture I know more about it from that time, and talk to more people than you do. There were people I knew and still know that thought it was the worst thing ever. They were and are friends of mine - and for the most part they were "responsible" while they were there, dorm heads and "look goods" and left on good terms. I went to Schweitzer ONCE. You may be missing my point - I thought much of it was quackery and UNfun. But not all of it. I talked to two friends of mine from that time last night, one who was kicked out. And funny that both of them looked back on it much the way I do. A screwed up program, a strange philosophy, but not a "bad" overall experience. I invest in the equity markets and comm exchanges for a living and if you think the RMA staff was somehow worse and/or more abusive, hypocritical or dishonest than the misinformers in the financial world then you are naive. If anything it is a microcosm, it's like life man. Yes, it was some screwed up stuff, but people did some screwed up stuff to get there too. There were staff I despised, that I thought were horrible. Specifically, above, I was speaking of one. Much depends on your perspective and the way you deal with it. Yes, I knew people who went there, good friends, who could not deal when they left and got even more screwed up. I also know a lot of very successful people. To throw a blanket over the whole thing and say everyone who went there had the same experience and were tortured and emotionally wrecked by the experience is ignorant soundbite generalization. Experience ran the gamut. Was it great and wonderful and perfect and smart? Probably not. I would have rather gone to the beach for the weekend or seen a T Waits show - but I didn't. I have friends who went there, same time I did, and we still talk, still see them on occasion. I am not speaking for your experience there, if you even went there, I'm speaking of my experience. I suspect no one who knew me there or now would say I was a staff lackey or a troll or particularly that I was or am brainwashed. I suspect they'd say the opposite. My feeling is that you've read some posts or some article from someone else and have extrapolated that into some eaily disgestible formulaic little pill that you've swallowed. Did you even go there? And for the record, there were students there I didn't like either, not just the staff. I realize there is at least a difference in opinion between people, there was then, there is now. Believe me, I have no agenda here. And patience? Is that your thing that you go off on anyone who sees things differently than you? Are you a zealot? I doubt my opinion is THAT far removed from TAC's - but at least we can be civil on the differences.
Anonymous:
--- Quote from: "E Adams" --- Much depends on your perspective and the way you deal with it. Yes, I knew people who went there, good friends, who could not deal when they left and got even more screwed up. I also know a lot of very successful people. ....I doubt my opinion is THAT far removed from TAC's - but at least we can be civil on the differences.
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According to you-- a sniveling, trolling moron-- everything is subjective, therefore am I not just as civil as TAC, you failure at life. Perhaps your perspective is just a different than mine, scum-bag.
Or, perhaps reality is not as subjective as you suggest?
--- Quote from: "E Adams" --- Yes, it was some screwed up stuff, but people did some screwed up stuff to get there too.Yes, I knew people who went there, good friends, who could not deal when they left and got even more screwed up. I also know a lot of very successful people. To throw a blanket over the whole thing and say everyone who went there had the same experience and were tortured and emotionally wrecked by the experience is ignorant soundbite generalization.
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No one says CEDU emotionally wrecked everyone , people say CEDU subjected detainees systematically to torture. I was not there the same year as you, but have read testimony from people who were, and CEDU was not reworked around YOU, personally. I doubt about your authenticity. I doubt the authenticity of posters behind anonymous internet messages that defend highly profitable cultic organizations.
On the other hand, I have peers who 5 years later describe our program in the same way you do, and also have a weird agenda of insinuatingly “blaming the victims," so I know it can happen. These defenders tortured, and tortured, as much as the next person (as a general rule, they did MORE torturing than the average detainee).
Torture does not cease to become torture if you are not negatively effected by it. Reality is objective. You say you were abducted. You say you were not traumatized by the experience. However, you were STILL abducted.
CEDU is not a "microcosm" of life. Unless your "life" is that of prisoner in a totalist thought reform labor camp. However you want to interpret your past, when quantified by measurements afforded by the Geneva conventions or medical (or even legal) standards, what went on at CEDU was torture.
This Carlbrook monster oversaw abduction, torture, imprisonment however "nice" you claim he was to you personally.
E Adams:
Am I a failure at life and a moron? How do you know that Guest? Are you smarter than I am - more intelligent, more insightful, more successful, happier, more at peace with yourself? Are you psychic? Wow. And you know more about the school than I do, and I went there - and you've not said if you even did or did not? I snivel? And curious where I defended the school? I attended the school, I haven't defended it. In fact, if anything, I would think I've said the program was pretty goofball. I wrote this all in English.
And I haven't seen anyone else posting on here about this that was there when I was - not that I've seen at least. You are like a guy who knows everything about a book that he's never read - or a cd he's never heard. The difference between you and TAC is that TAC is sane. And from what I can tell, a %$#@ of a lot smarter than you are. You're not even saying anything. You can't even develop a thought. TAC can actually disagree and explain why he disagrees. You might work on that. And plus, TAC was actually there it seems to me.
Next you'll tell me my girlfriend is ugly or that I need a haircut or something. You know a lot of stuff. It's impressive.
Anonymous:
E Adams,
I have some questions for you.
(1) What restraint methods did staff utilize at Carlbrook?
(2) Did staff restrain you?
(3) Why were you restrained?
(4) How long were you restrained for?
(5) How many staff restrained you?
(6) Did staff use excessive force when they restrained you?
(6) Did you witness any emotional abuse, sexual abuse or physical abuse at Carlbrook?
(7) Did you witness excessive force used in restraints towards other students?
(8) What were the consequences for rule infractions at Carlbrook?
E Adams:
How would I know - I never went to Carlbrook. I never said I went to Carlbrook. I made a comment about Tim Brace, the Headmaster, someone I knew for 2 yrs 24 yrs ago. That is all. Guest would probably know though. He knows a lot of stuff. Hope this helps.
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