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Nihilanthic:
:rofl: :rofl: youre obviously the same anon!
Jeeze, wont you give it up?
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Anonymous:
(niles)...will you give up?
Nihilanthic:
Not until I get a clear answer as to why humiliaton and forced exercise (with the apparent goal of exhausting the mind as much as the body) is good for kids or useful in any way when dealing with "troubled teens", instead of people trying to change the subject or obfuscate by calling humiliation "peer pressure so he gives it his best" and tell lies such as the "cadet has a choice to participate" :roll:
The newspeak is getting old and so are the excuses. This isn't some feel good "GIVE IT YOUR BEST!" recreational sports event, its exhaustion, various punishments and humiliation and some asshole in a uniform and a hat pulled down too low spewing obscenities and saliva in your face, if not physically beating you or "restraining" you.
I also guess that "group consequences" does not result in "cadet" on "cadet" violence, either, right?
If this was about some kid being motivated to try and to eventually succeed.... uh... why not just play sports or make something? Why have the whole sensitivity training schtick and bootcamp bullshit?
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Helena Handbasket:
--- Quote ---On 2006-01-20 15:00:00, Anonymous wrote:
"because it's false question. That means that the words in the question are so one-sided it cannot be answered. Niles went from brain-numbing forced excercize, to forced exercize. Neither are true. The cadet can choose to exercize or not. However, this puts pressure on his/her fellow cadets, because they want him/her to give it their best. The peer pressure makes the cadet try, and they soon regognize they can achieve,which gives them the boost they need, in self-pride, to start achieving good things, that before they THOUGHT they couldn't. Because many teens come in thinking they have control over everything, they must now get on the same level as their peers, and earn respect and work hard to advance. That's not brainwashing, abuse, or forced anything. It's goes with life. Most people who damn this place, #1 know nothing about it, #2 are obviously very hostile to life in general themselves, #3 have not respect for others, #4 look negatively at everything, #5 have no real outlook for themselves and very low on their own self-esteem.
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Do either of you "anons" have a psychology or a related degree? You may know PROGRAMS, but so little beyond that, you're making me giggle before I've had the first cup of coffee.
Because I do have a psychology degree, and I can tell you right now, mass punishment for the sake of one makes the team try not to get punished, which is the basis for broad-scope brainwashing. If you knew anything about "Behavior Modification" and it's applications, you couldn't spew such shit about "respect" "self-pride" and "achievement" - all Program Buzzwords.
--- Quote --- It's obvious in the what you write and the way you think you have to express yorselves. Niles, I don't personally have anything against him, but is one pessimistic person. His speech is terrible, has no respect, and just really doesn't care about anyone but himself. "
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Good thing I'm not drinking coffee - I'd be snotting it outta my nose!
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tlcrescue:
try checking out a website called http://www.difficult.net
I bought the book and it is very interesting reading, and has some very non-traditional ways to getting through the "out of control teen", just as the book describes. Unfortuntely, teens that have become out of control, in reality, are that way because parents allowed them to be. Once the teen gets to this level, traditional methods no longer work. The most important thing in trying to keep your teen on the right path is to let them know there is a consequence (whether good or bad) for every action. You have to put in place the consequences that work for your teen, and not every same consequence will work the same for every teen. Simply abusing a teen mentally, forced exercise, and denial of simple privileges such as food and bathroom is not the way to correct one's misbehavior. Even in the real world, parents have an OBLIGATION to provide adequate food and shelter for their child, without subjecting them to harm.
PLEASE do not consider sending your child to a boot camp, TLC or otherwise. With time and commitment, you CAN correct the misbehaviors of your teen. But, you have to be willing to stay the course. The behaviors were not learned over night, nor will they be corrected over night. Once you have made the decision to correct the misbehaviors, you have to stay the course and don't back down, no matter how hard it gets emotionally. Believe it or not, if you follow recommendations such as they outline in the book, things WILL get better. Mind you, they will probably get worse before they get better, because you have taken the control away from your teenager, and are regaining control of your household. No one likes to give up control, but a teenager does not need to be in control of the household, they don't know how to be, even though they think they do. They just need to be kids, and let us parents be in control of the household. Once you have managed to regain control, your teen will not be spending so much of their time and energy trying to keep that control, and will be free to live their life as a normal teenager should, and will find they, as well as you, are MUCH happier! I will be happy to discuss with anyone some of the methods we have used.
After I removed my son from TLC, I made many excuses and allowances for him because I felt guilty of what I let him endure while at TLC. Eventually that guilt took over our household. My son was not a violent child, drug user, gang member, or ever even in trouble with the law when I sent him to TLC. I have seen the error of my ways by (1) sending him to TLC; and (2) feeling guilty over it. After putting those feelings aside, and dealing with issues that have come up since his release (using methods as outlined in the book), the transformation has been amazing!
I would be more than happy to discuss this with any parent that would like more information, or to simply find out how it worked for us.
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