Treatment Abuse, Behavior Modification, Thought Reform > Brat Camp
Typical Day at Sagewalk
Troll Control:
--- Quote ---On 2005-08-02 08:15:00, Anonymous wrote:
"No one is saying abuses didn't/don't happen. Why condemn parents who didn't abuse their child but instead sent them child to an effective, compassionate, ethical facility for demonstrated clinical mental health needs? Why is it so hard to imagine that such places exist? "
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Can you NAME one? People have been asking you repeatedly to provide the nameS of the programS you sent your kidS to, but you just keep saying how great they were and don't name them.
Why not get some free advertising here for your great and effective programs? Exactly WHICH PROGRAMS did you enroll your kids at?
Please don't deflect or ignore the important question being raised. As a programmie, I know you've been trained to deny, divert, digress, distract, deflect and avoid probative questioning at all costs (even your credibility), but please try to answer at least this one simple question: WHICH PROGRAMS DID YOU SEND YOUR KIDS TO?
Thanks!
Anonymous:
I don't care to name the programs my son attended. I have provided this information privately to posters on the strugglingteens site. I wish to remain anonymous on this site because I have been the target of hateful emails in the past. I also wish to protect the identity of my son.
I will say that I know of at least 6 wilderness programs where there have been no reports of any abuse and both parents and teens felt the programs were life-changing and worth every penny and day spent. Do you think the program in Shouting at the Sky is abusive? I have friends who have placed kids at Cascade in the past (before it went downhill) with great results for the teen and the family. The schools which sprung from Cascade, such as Carlbrook, have been praised by kids and family alike-even on THIS BOARD. I haven't heard anything about abuses at Oakley or Swift River, either.
Why am I here? I didn't even know about this site until Overlordd invaded our board. Having discovered it and how ugly the posters here are in responding to copied posts from the strugglingteens board, I felt that I should respond. When I see false things, I feel as though I should set the record straight for future parents who are doing research. I want to help other families who are facing a similar crisis to what mine faced.
As far as kicking my son out of the house- it was tempting. However, I saw too much potential in him. I chose to send him to a wilderness program and a TBS. I was not always a very good parent. Probably the best thing I have ever done for him was send him to wilderness. It was life-changing for him and for our family.
The problem with many of you regulars on this board is that you won't accept that many of these programs WORK and that what we are reporting is TRUE. That is a display of your immaturity and inability to dig out of your trench.
AtomicAnt:
--- Quote ---On 2005-08-02 04:14:00, Anonymous wrote:
"
Dear Atomic: Lucky you, who never had a child spinning out of control. I wish I had your innocence. I also wish I had the tens of thousands I spent on therapy for my out of control child that insurance never covered. Wish I didn't have that pesky second mortgage that supports education for all my children. Can you agree that it's entirely possible that my child had problems, possibly genetically based, that your child does not?
Believe it or not, I agree with you that some parts of Brat Camp are stupid, starting with the name. Then again, some parts of Survivor and Dancing with the Stars were stupid too. It's called reality television. "
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I never said I did not have a child 'spinning out of control.' In fact, I have had one. My son was expelled from no less than 12 daycare providers before he even entered first grade! He was very violent. Nurture vs nature? I don't know.
I worked with my son. There were sleepless nights and truckloads of frustration. I felt helpless in that everything we tried did not seem to work. I had a CST (child study team) evaluate him. Over the years, several thereapists were involved. He attended two different kindergardens. In the second, he was placed in an inclusion class despite his high IQ.
We placed him a private school for first grade. That school conducted a second CST. He qualified for state assistance and a woman was assigned to work with him twice each week.
His behavior was so out of control that my ex-wife resorted to handcuffing him to the chair for 'time-outs.' He told his teacher. Family Services became involved. Handcuffing kids is child abuse, you know.
My son was placed with me. I stopped ALL forms of punishment and decided to try only redirection and positive reinforcement. I told my son that there would be no more penalties or punishments. Everyone (ex-wife, teachers, therapists) thought I was crazy...
My son passed second grade with all As and Bs on his report card. There was not a single reported incident in second grade. He is not perfect and will continue to have state assistance next year, but he has improved dramatically. He is now popular and has lots of friends. His self-esteem has improved immensely. He is enjoying summer day camp. He is living with his Mom during the week and spends every weekend with me.
So, I do understand what parents go through.
Anonymous:
--- Quote ---On 2005-08-02 06:21:00, Anonymous wrote:
"If those of us who have a more positive view on the subject let some of the things said here go unchallenged---what might parents looking for a program/school think if they happen to stumble into this site in their search?"
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Replace 'positive experience' with 'life traumatizing hell-like experience' and you get an idea what some of us went through.
what might parents looking for a program/school think if they happen to stumble onto the THOUSANDS of websites owned by programs, the websites that are MUCH MORE LIKELY to pop up when a parent searches.
Fornits is THE ONLY FORUM!!! that lets us tell our program experience as it actually was. Can I do this at ST? NO! They will delete it, and won't even publish the program name, so how is this helpful to parents?
Or do you think ONLY telling the parents positive exeriences is helpful? You are such a hypocrite, it is just mind boggling.
You feel only the good experiences deserve to be told, well guess what, some of us had terrible abusive experiences. And since FORNITS (god bless) is the only place we can come and talk about it, of course we all hang out here. DO you expect us to hang out at ST?
What is it that you are not understanding here?
Anonymous:
You claim you want to help parents find good programs and then you say this:
--- Quote ---I don't care to name the programs my son attended.
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You are here to argue with people, and that is it. You just proved it.
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