Treatment Abuse, Behavior Modification, Thought Reform > Brat Camp
Unusually Resistant Kids, Or Softer Program
Anonymous:
--- Quote ---On 2005-07-24 17:43:00, Anonymous wrote:
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On 2005-07-24 16:57:00, Anonymous wrote:
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On 2005-07-24 16:51:00, dougm wrote:
"Okay, I read the court thing, and I will be honest, I was appalled. The setup hasn't changed with sleeping bags, tarps, clothes, food etc. but never once when I was at Sagewalk were we forced to eat stuff other than what was issued to us, and we didn't consume anything "natural" other than steeping some leaves we found and making tea (wasn't great in retrospect, but it was quite a welcome treat at the time) nor were we made to wade in water (what the hell were the counselors thinking???). I need to say that Sagewalk is much different and in no way did I ever experience any of the abuse that he did. However, I still stand by my conviction that wilderness therapy can be quite beneficial for most kids."
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Here's a novel idea. Send the parents to a wilderness therapy camp and put them through the exact same regimen ... only instead of reading letters written by their bratty kids, they would be the ones writing letters to their children apologizing for being lousy parents and begging them for their forgiveness.
I can see it now ... the kids coming to pick up their new and improved parents ... riding off into the sunset singing Kumbaya.
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That's just asinine, not all parents who send their kids to these programs are bad. My parents did everything they could to help me, and quite frankly, you're generalization of the parents of these kids is an insult. One kid that was there was because he was physically abusing his mother. I appreciate the links that have been sent to me about genuine abuses by these programs, but making blanket statements do nothing more than make you look silly."
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Hello? Did you not hear the parent whining about the teenager spending money he gave her on drugs?
Guess it never occured to the "parent" that for starters he should stop giving the kid money.
David Van Blarigan (the kid sent to Tranquility Bay back in 1998) had no criminal record. Didn't smoke, do drugs, or skip school.
What he did do is call his younger brother a "butthead", refuse to go to his parent's fundamentalist church, and .... gasp ... sprayed his mother with a hose.
See archives for TIME magazine for info on David Van Blarigan.
IS THIS A CAMP OR JAIL?
Doug .... parents can and do send their kids to programs for ALL THE WRONG REASONS ... but none so wrong as to show their kid who's boss. It's all about control .... not helping kids.
Anonymous:
--- Quote ---On 2005-07-24 18:18:00, Deborah wrote:
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An experienced camper doesn't set up his tent under tree limbs that are heavy with snow.
London presented Nature as the enemy. Totally neglecting the ignorance of human's who think they are the masters of the universe and enter that domain ill-prepared. You go with irreverance and ill prepared and you might not return. It's one thing if an adult wants to take those risks, quiet another for an ignorant adult to put a child at risk. A child that's not their own, no less.
Wonder if CF has 'retrained' (educated) their staff on this matter.
The guys who put my son out were Mtn Rangers/Wilderness First Responders and ex-military. None of that training would have saved my son if he'd had appendicitis that night.
Credentials are not security, particularly when the sadistic personality of staff over-rides common sense.
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I'm sorry but I couldn't understand that post for the most part...as for referring to the staff as sadistic is yet again another generalization. I enjoyed the company of *most* of the staff there, although there were a few turds (in that they were a little more strict, but not cruel). Not because they "brainwashed" me, but because they are human beings as well.
dougm:
Once again, I will reiterate...wilderness therapy isn't for everyone. I know the parents aren't perfect, and that's why during the kid's stay at SageWalk, the parents also go to therapy. As for kids being sent because of religious reasons, that disgusts me because I am an atheist myself, I couldn't imagine my parents being that, for lack of a better word, dumb. But regardless of sending a kid to wilderness therapy for the wrong reasons, that doesn't detract from the fact that for some kids, wilderness therapy is the right treatment.
And I still don't understand why everyone solely blames the parents. Even assuming that the parents are bad parents (which isn't true in all cases like everyone on here seems to believe), does that excuse the child for partaking in bad behaviors?
Anonymous:
Deb .. please check your PM's.
Barbe
TAUSA
Antigen:
--- Quote ---On 2005-07-24 18:50:00, dougm wrote:
And I still don't understand why everyone solely blames the parents.
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Because the parents are the ones who make the call, negotiate the deal, write the checks and then follow instructions to help demoralize their kids.
On the dogmas of religion, as distinguished from moral principles, all mankind, from the beginning of the world to this day, have been quarreling, fighting, burning and torturing one another for abstractions unintelligible to themselves and to all others, and absolutely beyond the comprehension of the human mind.
--Thomas Jefferson, U.S. President, author, scientist, architect, educator, and diplomat
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