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DMX:
IT is choice When you go to AARC you may still be able to function and live your life but you know what they do they help. there are lots of kids who fall off and they may even work at AARC first sound firmilar? I know that AA is'nt for everyone it is a choice and you know what AARC and the director are not God but they do help because they've been where we have, I remember everyone coming in who I saw being in pain and just defeated and they got better for awhile. we all let out feelings and so did our parents and brothers and sisters. not everyone can recover from such a tromatic disease but it's a choice we all make and there are no excuses. For all you people that are complaining about this treatment center you are not very smart by downing it they helped you and when you left you never had to come back because they showed you and helped you remember step 12. The staff are obviosly not in it for the money but working at AARC is not neccasarily 12 step but I've seen many people that don't even work there doing 12 step work and lots that do work there. It is a tough place but I am glad I went and I think about drinking again one day but that is not what I want so I go to meetings and talk to my sponser. Why does AARC need to cover things up? they don't really, they've helped many kids and they as I said earlier don't always do it in a healthy way that in todays society sees it but they do what they can. And they don't want to do what they do but if a kid goes off are they supposed to let him kill someone because we have all had that thought. So bash AARC all you want but it is for us who want it so you can complain all you want but do somthing with your life at least.

velvet2000:
I believe it's kidnapping I believe:


that it's not a choice, when you decide to leave and a group of people sit on you and drag you back in. If you are court ordered to AARC then it's not a choice is it? If you are under sixteen you legally do have the choice to walk out, but you will be restrained and told that you don't have the right to sign out. Only exeption to the rule being one smart cookie with her own lawyer who knew where she'd been taken.


It's not a choice when you're wallet is taken from you. It's not a choice when you are very young and you run away from AARC, and then AARC calls everyone you might have known or talks your parents into doing it, so that all of your family and friends are scared to take you in. Or when they show up to all the locations that they know you might go to, to drag you back. And even if you don't find them then that poor kid is forced to live on the streets because you've told their parents that they are bad parents if they let her/him come back home. Is that "for there own good" Scarring them forever? When you believe the disease concept, you believe that someone with a disease needs to be cared for at all times and you do your best to help the disease not progress, you don't try to make it worse for them.


There are very few kids who think that because they are older than 16 that they can sign themselves out who stay. The ones that do are usually either out of money and places to stay and don't have the street smarts to stay afloat, or are so vulnerable that they will cling to what you tell them quickly. Some people are put in the situation where they can't get their families back without going through AARC, and love their parents so much that they will spend years of their life faking just to have them.


How can you say that doing unhealthy things, hurting a child or doing things to them that are "wrong" is okay? If you think that you are stopping them for murdering someone, what about the boy who was not an addict and you knew that, and was kept anyways. What did he end up doing? Well first when he got out he started abusing drugs which he says he did because he hoped on coming back and really being like you guys...AARC's programming is so effective that he thought he had to be just like you. Then you wouldn't let him back - then her murdered someone which he says he did in hopes that he would be court ordered back to AARC. Before you he was a decent kid who had acted out for attention, and probably just needed someone to talk to.


Like I asked you on my board, when will it ever be not okay? You said that aarc does wrong things but it's for a good reason...It's not. I'm still waiting for some answers. When someone doesn't do what I want them to I don't harm them to try to force them to do it.


I do believe that what Br**n N**l did was because of you. He wouldn't have robbed you just for the minor cash he could have gotten from a pawn shop.


And thank you for allowing us to "AARC bash" but we've only had to bash to try to help you, otherwise we were mostly talking about our feelings. Oh and thank you for the well wishes about doing something with my life. I have done many positive things with my life, more so than most people get to while they are here, and deffinately more so than anyone who stays with AARC. What have you done?


One thing about leaving AARC is that nobody ever stands behind you. Even if you still come to the functions and left AARC peacefully for what you thought was a legitimate reason, you will still be bashed. Someone needs to tell An***w M**t*n what was said after he left. He thought the whole while that things were as tight as ever, and now look what he's doing for a person who bashed him.


You might think that I come here to seek revenge on people, and I do admit that certain people being upset is slightly amusing to me! But the truth is that there are people who are not involved with aarc, and people who are involved with aarc that I care very much about. There are also people I don't even know, yet I care for them too. The reason I created my page is to create a forum where people could come back together, share the TRUTH and start to heal. I am sorry that you are not in that place.

DMX:
k I thought you said that you had the choice to leave and usually kids are so whacked when they come in there parents or the court system usually needs to make that choice for them. And I was referring to when you graduate you never need to come back if you don't want to. They don't beat you in there either if you don't want to stay they do what they can to step in front of you so you don't go do something screwed. I wanted to take off to glenmore trail and throw myself infront of a car.  

velvet2000:
Re: k Don't believe Ihad a choice, because I didn't. OH I see where you made the mistake. I said that I legally had the choice, meaning that I should have been able to leave, but would be sat on if I did.


When a kid is in deep trouble they need to be shown how much power they have over their own lives, not to have it taken away from them.

Logo9:
Interested I have read over some of the posts and find this board interesting. I went through AARC in 94-95. I can realate to some of the stuff I have read but not all. Cheeky 54 was on staff then and I was probably in group with Velvet although I am not sure. I still remain in touch with a lot of the graduates and I am pretty happy with my life. AARC was not perfect that I agree but they did help me get sober and I think that is what counts. I am sorry to hear of all the stuff you guys went through. I never heard of any of it before. Are you guys still sober? Do you go to meetings? Was there anything positive that you were able to get out of AARC? My sponser always told me to take what I need and leave the rest. I try to apply this to my experiences with not only AARC but with the numerous other agencies I went through.

Wishing you the best of luck,

Logo9

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