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« on: July 15, 2005, 04:58:00 PM »
http://www.aspeneducationgroup.com/bratcamp/

I still would like to know why none of the schools involved with Aspen Education are listed on ISAC site.  They have the exact same
allegations of abuse as any of the other programs and schools.

ISAC employees of Aspen Education...

They offer many good programs like WWASPS schools. They are missing the aftercare piece big time, though.  

What do they offer the kids once they leave Brat Camp????
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« Reply #1 on: July 15, 2005, 05:11:00 PM »
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« Reply #2 on: July 15, 2005, 06:07:00 PM »
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I still would like to know why none of the schools involved with Aspen Education are listed on ISAC site. They have the exact same
allegations of abuse as any of the other programs and schools.

The one that featured on Brat Camp is on the watch list.  It's Turn-About Ranch.
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« Reply #3 on: July 18, 2005, 07:26:00 PM »
They said they were in Oregon, not Utah. And those BRATS are getting everything they deserve!
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« Reply #4 on: July 18, 2005, 10:50:00 PM »
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On 2005-07-18 16:26:00, Anonymous wrote:

"They said they were in Oregon, not Utah. And those BRATS are getting everything they deserve!"


Wow. Must feel great hating 13 year olds you never met, huh? :roll:
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« Reply #5 on: July 19, 2005, 12:44:00 AM »
WTF is aftercare? Just adding another level to a program to suck more money out of the parents? Good lord.

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« Reply #6 on: July 19, 2005, 05:03:00 AM »
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On 2005-07-18 16:26:00, Anonymous wrote:

"They said they were in Oregon, not Utah."

The original post was about Aspen, which owns Turn-About Ranch.

It goes like this:

British series 1
RedCliff Ascent
Recently shown on ABC Family

British series 2
Turn-About Ranch
Not shown in the US yet (if ever)

American series 1
SageWalk
Now showing on ABC
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« Reply #7 on: July 27, 2005, 09:16:00 PM »
I have four (of many) questions for the parents of these nine troubled teens:

The show periodically flashes back to some ?spontaneous? acting out behavior of these kids at home.  Having encouraged kids to act out for the cameras, is it reasonable to expect them to ?deal with their issues honestly? in the program?

Having lied to your children to put them in a hardship situation ?for their own good,? do you think it is reasonable to expect them to trust you in the future?  

Having sent your kids to a nationally televised program in which they are labeled by their problems and branded with the name ?Brat,? is it reasonable to think that they will look back on this years from now and see this as a demonstration of your ?love? for them?

I have no doubt these kids will change their behaviors. If you are allowed to lie, intimidate, and manipulate people who have no recourse, they will eventually do what you want.  Let?s assume that they deep down even want to change: do you think the kids are going to trust any change that is pressed upon them this way?

The motivation behind airing this show is no more about ?helping? these kids than the show Cheaters is about building relationships.  If legally responsible adults are willing to humiliate themselves this way, that?s fine, but it shouldn?t be legal for parents to televise such personal issues on behalf of their children.
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« Reply #8 on: July 27, 2005, 10:50:00 PM »
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On 2005-07-18 21:44:00, Nihilanthic wrote:

"WTF is aftercare? Just adding another level to a program to suck more money out of the parents? Good lord.


I think it's to intimidate the kids into behaving once they are at home.  Your theory works too.  It's a win-win situation for Sagewalk, either way!
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« Reply #9 on: July 27, 2005, 11:45:00 PM »
Tonight on Brat Camp: It is revealed that Nick is Dyslexic. It is obvious that many of this boy's "problems" are related to this disorder--his inability to read, his frustrations in school, being belittled by his smarter twin because of his learning disability. If his parents would spend 1/3 of the money they are spending on this TORTURE CAMP for this boy on a reading specialist tutor, and a therapist AT HOME, this young man could make a turn-around and be fine. What the heck is wrong here?
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« Reply #10 on: July 28, 2005, 12:18:00 AM »
My thoughts exactly.
The mother even knew he had dyslexia. Why has she ignored his needs and allowed the situation to escalate to the point that he became violent with his brother for teasing him? How is a kid to feel when his own family members ridicule him for a bonefided learning disability?

And how about the school district? They're on the brink of screening every school age child for mental illness and they can't even identify and assist a kid with dyslexia? Isn't that damned comforting? WHY is he getting F's and being punished for it?

If he were screened there would be a great liklihood that he'd be put on psych meds for the 'behavioral' issues stemming from humiliation he's endured for years, totally ignoring the dyslexia. Absolute insanity.

That this is happening in 2005 in the wealthiest country on the planet is unbelievable. Why is there no shame for the total lack of attention to children's needs? It's embarrassing.
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« Reply #11 on: July 28, 2005, 01:16:00 AM »
Boy, nothing better for a kid who's breaking under the stress of constant teasing than to cause him to break down in front of a group of peers and a tv crew.

This is not quite as sick as watching Waco burn, but it's damned close.

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« Reply #12 on: July 28, 2005, 02:28:00 AM »
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On 2005-07-27 22:16:00, Antigen wrote:

"Boy, nothing better for a kid who's breaking under the stress of constant teasing than to cause him to break down in front of a group of peers and a tv crew.



This is not quite as sick as watching Waco burn, but it's damned close.

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Ginger, I could not agree with you more.

Watching the betrayal of America's youth on primetime tv is absolutely sickening.

Disney/ABC has no business profiting from the troubled-parent business.

This is obscene.

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« Reply #13 on: July 28, 2005, 04:32:00 AM »
Barbe - BratCamp is just another symptom of the real illness thats starting to fester and putrify the minds of everyone in this nation. Me and my stepdad were talking the other day, and he said that if someone resurrected gladitorial combat in the Colliseum and telecasted it, the ratings would be huge and basically everyone would watch it.

Bratcamp is evidence of that. They see children being pushed to the brink, and then some, all the 'therapy' and bullshit that the incredibly yawn-inspiring 'narrator' spews out is just gobbled up without even the vestiges of critical thought being exercised when they form their opinions about how 'good' it all is. Like I talked about in my thread "group consequences and other bullshit", when told they're tortured and starved, the usual gruff/smug reply of "an adult" is to say "that just shows them how good they had it at home".

What a lovely mentality! Your children are Chattel and OWE YOU! They're little ingrates, nevermind whats really going on! Nevermind that its torture with a P.C. spin thrown on top, its wonderful entertainment, seeing people squirm cry and have a total breakdown on TV, sobbing about someones dead father and trying to "find the strength to get through this" or being pushed to tears by being pressured to rappel down a cliff "for their self esteem" (yeah right).

So, not only is the usual sadistic nerve stimulated and then some, as is the typical case with "Tough Love", but everyone is being lead to believe this is "good", this is "growth" and its something they should go into willingly and submissively and damn them for resisting. Damn someone for wanting the ability to feed himeslf on that cheap, low-caloric density bland and not terribly appropriate for hiking long distances carrying a heavy pack in the cold desert and sleeping in the cold desert (protein and fat would go a LONG way...), and damn him for getting angry about it and the "group consequences". Damn that boy! Oh, wait, he didnt say fuck twice and smash a rock through their heads. I would have, but then again Im an "adult" and I know whats going on for what it is, not a perturbative'general idea' that is forming in their heads: Conform, do as told, show "respect" (submission) and put on a show with the breakdowns and divuldging personal juicy tidbits, and just deal with the humiliation.

What a joke! The whole point in the end is to push them into breakdowns, and they are rewarded for... breaking down, giving in, being vulnerable, disclosing all their personal shit (to the whole fucking COUNTRY) and having those psychological regressions - and they even ADMIT openly that the point is to make them "open to suggestions".

The REALLY disturbing fact in all of this is that so few people realize that its nothing but sensitivty training in the middle of nowhere... isntead of being stuck inside something, youre stuck out there with a few assholes and trapped all the same. And that people dont realize sensitivity training is just breaking someone to make them admit everything and brainwash them. (Too bad people seem to think brainwashing involves drugs or jedi mind tricks, because its on TV right now and they're party to it).

This really is disgusting and obscene... in the sene that its graphic entertainment of unconsenting children being tormented in every way except being physically assaulted, as far as we know at least. But oh well, our wonderful politicians are more conerned with anonymous and harmless gay couples, sex in a violent videogame that children have no business playing (though I must admit I find GTA games a fun fantasy to induldge in, however they seem to think these games make people violent... despite the STEADY DECLINE OF CRIME BY CHILDREN AND TEENS!) and boobies on TV or bad words... and dont even get me started on that guy that Jon Stewart (bless the Daily Show!) ripped a new asshole over that book about people ruining america 'culturally' while we ignore the deeper issues with governments influence on our society... such as regressional "treatment" and the accompanying brainwashing, on our damn CHILDREN!

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« Reply #14 on: July 28, 2005, 01:54:00 PM »
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and dont even get me started on that guy that Jon Stewart (bless the Daily Show!) ripped a new asshole over that book about people ruining america 'culturally' while we ignore the deeper issues with governments influence on our society... such as regressional "treatment" and the accompanying brainwashing, on our damn CHILDREN!


Yeah, just as an aside. That was Rick Santorum, btw, Senator from PA. I was a little dissapointed in Jon, though. Toward the end of that interview, he sais something to the effect that ending segregation (for example) is more important than our culture. Isn't that part of our culture? Isn't that a much more important part of our culture than which specific words we deem to be taboo or who's butting their what consensually into whom?

Same for Brat Camp. Deb posted a link the other day from a homeless rights lawyer who characterized it as crazy hippies holding kids prisoner. That's pretty accurate. And I think it's many orders of magnitude more obscene than, say, the kid who's crime seems to be insisting on defending himself from the dumb jocks at school.

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