Treatment Abuse, Behavior Modification, Thought Reform > The Troubled Teen Industry
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Nihilanthic:
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On 2005-10-01 07:00:00, Nihilanthic wrote:
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--- Quote ---Do you know anything good or bad about Auldern Academy. I need a good, very structured girls boarding school for my daughter, I need a place that she will succeed and be monitored and her have good wholesome fur while meeting some self esteem issues and being encouraged to excellence. Help Lacey
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Here's two pieces of advice...
1. please dont jack a thread asking for advice for you when this is about Three Springs. Or, for that matter... threadjack at all. Its trollish.
2. Before you say you need a program in some form, why not start off with:
a. the problems she has, and proof of those problems (not program rhetoric or bullshit non-issues such as the wrong crowd or 'talking back', being 'unmotivatd', etc)
b. what youve done to help
c. why you need a program, and how it could possibly help.
If you want help with her self esteem, why not take her to get a makeover and some icecream? BTW, the words structured, succeed, monitored, wholesome, self esteem, issues, encouraged, and excellence reek of brochures and vague, generalized bullshit.
Everyone wants that for all their kids, blah blah blah. If she doesnt have an actual problem, she belongs at home, unless youre trying to abdicate parental responsibility.
Oh and you might want to keep in mind Ive yet to see a program that didnt use coersion, humiliation, LGA seminars, physical brutality or corporal punishment in some form or another (generally called 'restraint) that wasnt simply a mislabeled SCHOOL, and only a school, and that bootcamps, programs, et all that rely on those methods don't work! The NIMH has found the recidivism is not reduced.
It is the absolute right of the state to supervise the formation of public opinion.
--Joseph Goebbels
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So that's your solution to low self-esteem? Take her for a makeover and an ice cream?!?!?!?!
Of course, there appears to be more "show" than actually knowledge in what you say. Seems you have impressed some with 'fluff'......but how much experience do you really have with ANY program? When you say, "you have yet to see a program", does that mean anything you have read on the internet that agrees with what you want to believe, ignoring anything else and discounting anyone with a differing opinion?
I certainly hope that a poster with a child suffering for low self-esteem doesn't take your advice for a makeover and ice cream. I hope they get the child therapy, counseling, or whatever is needed to help the child. What's your advice for a depressed child - take them to see a funny movie?
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Something you seem to have a hard time understanding is that yeah, giving a child attention, treats, helping with their self-image, you know, things MOMMIES ARE SUPPOSED TO DO FOR THEIR DAUGHTERS... would probably go a LONG way if the child was feeling depressed. Oh, and *gasp* she might start talking to the mom! Wow. Just imagine, a little milkfat, a lot less money, some time and effort instead of kidnappers and wow, you can personally help the kid out.
Im not gonna re-iterate everything that Sara (Mrs handbasket) has said because it would be a waste of time, but I will say this:
Being locked up, isolated from the world and your parents, being unable to socialize and grow and develop except within the guidelines of the program and the 'structure' of it, and within BS rules, does not help you get self esteem, or grow, or mature, bla bla bla. Being out and doing things on your own, but with help from parents, loved ones, and friends, DOES. Since WHEN Does incarceration help with self esteem? Since when do programs churn out children who wear blank smiles and say "self esteem" all the time?
Oh, and yeah, taking a depressed child WOULD help. Why? Youre givin the child an escape, a chance to bond with you, and youre spending time with them. Feeling like youre loved and liked helps a lot with depression, OH MY GOD WHAT A REVELATION!!!
--- Quote ---Nihil- go take your meds and stop spewing bullshit.
To the person inquiring about Auldern- this is not the place for accurate information. This is the place for you to be blasted by pyscho-zealots for even considering doing something for your child.
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I dont need meds, I dont take meds. I dont like drugs, m'kay? I *WAS* Misdiagnosed and given prozac as a child, but it was not only unnecessary but a detrement to me. It totally killed my emotions.
When I turned 15, wanted the spice back in my life (you know, as opposed to living as a zombie in a grey world) and flushed that shit down the toilet and turned around and took it to the people who made my life hell, and thus made me feel bad - and chewed out some school administrators who let this shit happen to me in the first place, guess what?
I feelt a LOT Better! It was GENUINE happiness. I didnt get 'self-esteem' from a damned seminar or from being obedient and not complaining when told what to do and made to do it (like you seem to think you must, well, and/or with drugs).
So please, DRUGGIE, dont push your fucking pills on me or any other child or teen or adult in this already over-medicated and under-loved nation, okay?
And, to conclude, wanna know wahts REALLY funny?
You crawl up my ass for not having visited a program and telling people to be wary of them and the bullshit that is now KNOWN that they do, but you want a parent to send their child, and money, to a program they never visisted either?
HELLO? EARTH TO BAGHEAD :wave:
Im saying check it out, dont fall for the bullshit, and Ive yet to see a 'program' that did anything but engender submission, conformity, and do it via bullshit Large-group awareness training (called a workshop, seminar, propheet, rap, etc.) or simply by dominating the child and forcing them to behave within their guidelines.
All that 'structure' doesn't do anything but make the child grin and bear it and do as told. That makes it easier for a parent but doesnt do jack shit for the child. Giving the child a thicker skin by taking away pleasure and freedom does... WHAT to help address the self-esteem issue? Or depression? WHAT? Yeah people who survive bullshit get a thick skin, zippadedodah. But people can do fine without real (or artifical, program-derived) hardship and still be good people. And I can say its BAD to make them cover up and hide their shit because they have to act happy and 'work the program' to get out.
Oh well, we shoudl all do as you say, right? Pop pills for everything and throw your children away into programs we've never seen while telling others not to tell us to be wary of something they havent personally seen even though the whole industry operates the same way. :roll:
The problem with the "teen help" industry is that it's a bad "solution" in search of a problem.
Julie C.
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Nihilanthic:
Being a smart ass can be indicative of O.D.D. and anger management issues, someone better take Waygookin for an intake.
I have never killed a man, but I have read many obituaries with great pleasure.
--Clarence Darrow
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Troll Control:
--- Quote ---On 2005-10-02 07:01:00, Anonymous wrote:
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On 2005-10-02 06:07:00, Helena Handbasket wrote:
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So that's your solution to low self-esteem? Take her for a makeover and an ice cream?!?!?!?!
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I think a huge point sailed right over your head. In this scenario of a girl-child with low self esteem - the kid gives a clue to the parent that she feels like she might be ugly, and the parent takes the reigns and involves themselves in that kids life in something directly aimed at the "I think I'm ugly" problem.
Of course, if she felt fat, you'd probably pass by the ice cream shoppe, and head for a salad bar, while chit-chatting about how to make low fat and low calorie less boring.
I think Niles was describing the first step in parental involvement. Of course there's more to it than a makeover and ice cream. But living a normal life while working these things out like normal people builds self esteem from within, not in some artifically crafted emo-dome.
Possibly the worst thing for this type of kid is to isolate them from the rest of the world, while they're worked over by a peer group whose very nature is to wear down self esteem, and rebuild in it the image OF The Program, which is generally incongruent with normal society.
What happens to the thin veneer of self esteem then?
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I certainly hope that a poster with a child suffering for low self-esteem doesn't take your advice for a makeover and ice cream. I hope they get the child therapy, counseling, or whatever is needed to help the child. What's your advice for a depressed child - take them to see a funny movie?
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Why is it that the first thing you want to do is make a generic teen malady into psychiatric emergency? EVERY TEEN AT SOME POINT Goes through self esteem problems, depression, anger, generalized pissiness.
What's your advice to a kid with zits? Plastic Surgery?"
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You certainly seemed to have read more into the simpleton advice that was there. So I assume you think the "makeover and ice cream" is fantastic advice?? Oh wait, you are going to act as interpreter and tell us what Niles REALLY meant to say.
Gee - ever stop and think when you take a child who thinks they are ugly to get a "makeover", you are confirming in their mind that you think they ARE ugly and need a makeover??? Ever think that going to the salad bar with a kid that thinks they are fat may be reenforcing that thought? Ever think that if the kid IS fat, it may (or may not be) a symptom of something else, and not just a love of Oreos?
And how did you make the flying leap to isolating the kid? or a psychiatric emergency? I never came CLOSE to saying anything like that. I believe if you READ my post, you will see I said "therapy, counseling, or whatever is needed to help the child"."
Amazing how you can twist Niles' words into something that sounds a little more reasonable (at least on the surfact), but take mine and twist them into something outlandish.
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Ever stop and think you're a fucking moron? What a dope.
Nihilanthic:
Three Springs Waygookin says you need to go have a taco. :smile:
Our Constitution is in actual operation; everything appears to promise that it will last; but in this world nothing is certain but death and taxes.
Ben Franklin Letter to M. Leroy, 1789.
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Troll Control:
--- Quote ---On 2005-10-02 07:48:00, Nihilanthic wrote:
"Three Springs Waygookin says you need to go have a taco. :smile:
Our Constitution is in actual operation; everything appears to promise that it will last; but in this world nothing is certain but death and taxes.
Ben Franklin Letter to M. Leroy, 1789.
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Will you take me for ice cream after? My mom won't because she doesn't care about me.
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