Treatment Abuse, Behavior Modification, Thought Reform > The Troubled Teen Industry
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Anonymous:
--- Quote ---On 2005-10-01 07:00:00, Nihilanthic wrote:
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--- Quote ---Do you know anything good or bad about Auldern Academy. I need a good, very structured girls boarding school for my daughter, I need a place that she will succeed and be monitored and her have good wholesome fur while meeting some self esteem issues and being encouraged to excellence. Help Lacey
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Here's two pieces of advice...
1. please dont jack a thread asking for advice for you when this is about Three Springs. Or, for that matter... threadjack at all. Its trollish.
2. Before you say you need a program in some form, why not start off with:
a. the problems she has, and proof of those problems (not program rhetoric or bullshit non-issues such as the wrong crowd or 'talking back', being 'unmotivatd', etc)
b. what youve done to help
c. why you need a program, and how it could possibly help.
If you want help with her self esteem, why not take her to get a makeover and some icecream? BTW, the words structured, succeed, monitored, wholesome, self esteem, issues, encouraged, and excellence reek of brochures and vague, generalized bullshit.
Everyone wants that for all their kids, blah blah blah. If she doesnt have an actual problem, she belongs at home, unless youre trying to abdicate parental responsibility.
Oh and you might want to keep in mind Ive yet to see a program that didnt use coersion, humiliation, LGA seminars, physical brutality or corporal punishment in some form or another (generally called 'restraint) that wasnt simply a mislabeled SCHOOL, and only a school, and that bootcamps, programs, et all that rely on those methods don't work! The NIMH has found the recidivism is not reduced.
It is the absolute right of the state to supervise the formation of public opinion.
--Joseph Goebbels
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So that's your solution to low self-esteem? Take her for a makeover and an ice cream?!?!?!?!
Of course, there appears to be more "show" than actually knowledge in what you say. Seems you have impressed some with 'fluff'......but how much experience do you really have with ANY program? When you say, "you have yet to see a program", does that mean anything you have read on the internet that agrees with what you want to believe, ignoring anything else and discounting anyone with a differing opinion?
I certainly hope that a poster with a child suffering for low self-esteem doesn't take your advice for a makeover and ice cream. I hope they get the child therapy, counseling, or whatever is needed to help the child. What's your advice for a depressed child - take them to see a funny movie?
Anonymous:
--- Quote ---On 2005-09-29 14:28:00, Anonymous wrote:
"Do you know anything good or bad about Auldern Academy. I need a good, very structured girls boarding school for my daughter, I need a place that she will succeed and be monitored and her have good wholesome fur while meeting some self esteem issues and being encouraged to excellence. Help :smile: :smile: :smile:Lacey "
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If you want to improve your daughter's self esteem, do not send her to a program. Most programs use a highly confrontational approach in order to break down the child, and re-mold them into an obedient little zombie.
Many of these programs pretend to do the exact opposite. Program salespeople will often tell you all kinds of tales about "empowering", "motivating", etc. etc. Don't fall for that. If you want your daughter to have any kind of self esteem, keep her out of the programs.
Anonymous:
Nihil- go take your meds and stop spewing bullshit.
To the person inquiring about Auldern- this is not the place for accurate information. This is the place for you to be blasted by pyscho-zealots for even considering doing something for your child.
Helena Handbasket:
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So that's your solution to low self-esteem? Take her for a makeover and an ice cream?!?!?!?!
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I think a huge point sailed right over your head. In this scenario of a girl-child with low self esteem - the kid gives a clue to the parent that she feels like she might be ugly, and the parent takes the reigns and involves themselves in that kids life in something directly aimed at the "I think I'm ugly" problem.
Of course, if she felt fat, you'd probably pass by the ice cream shoppe, and head for a salad bar, while chit-chatting about how to make low fat and low calorie less boring.
I think Niles was describing the first step in parental involvement. Of course there's more to it than a makeover and ice cream. But living a normal life while working these things out like normal people builds self esteem from within, not in some artifically crafted emo-dome.
Possibly the worst thing for this type of kid is to isolate them from the rest of the world, while they're worked over by a peer group whose very nature is to wear down self esteem, and rebuild in it the image OF The Program, which is generally incongruent with normal society.
What happens to the thin veneer of self esteem then?
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I certainly hope that a poster with a child suffering for low self-esteem doesn't take your advice for a makeover and ice cream. I hope they get the child therapy, counseling, or whatever is needed to help the child. What's your advice for a depressed child - take them to see a funny movie?
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Why is it that the first thing you want to do is make a generic teen malady into psychiatric emergency? EVERY TEEN AT SOME POINT Goes through self esteem problems, depression, anger, generalized pissiness.
What's your advice to a kid with zits? Plastic Surgery?
Anonymous:
--- Quote ---On 2005-10-02 06:07:00, Helena Handbasket wrote:
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So that's your solution to low self-esteem? Take her for a makeover and an ice cream?!?!?!?!
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I think a huge point sailed right over your head. In this scenario of a girl-child with low self esteem - the kid gives a clue to the parent that she feels like she might be ugly, and the parent takes the reigns and involves themselves in that kids life in something directly aimed at the "I think I'm ugly" problem.
Of course, if she felt fat, you'd probably pass by the ice cream shoppe, and head for a salad bar, while chit-chatting about how to make low fat and low calorie less boring.
I think Niles was describing the first step in parental involvement. Of course there's more to it than a makeover and ice cream. But living a normal life while working these things out like normal people builds self esteem from within, not in some artifically crafted emo-dome.
Possibly the worst thing for this type of kid is to isolate them from the rest of the world, while they're worked over by a peer group whose very nature is to wear down self esteem, and rebuild in it the image OF The Program, which is generally incongruent with normal society.
What happens to the thin veneer of self esteem then?
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I certainly hope that a poster with a child suffering for low self-esteem doesn't take your advice for a makeover and ice cream. I hope they get the child therapy, counseling, or whatever is needed to help the child. What's your advice for a depressed child - take them to see a funny movie?
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Why is it that the first thing you want to do is make a generic teen malady into psychiatric emergency? EVERY TEEN AT SOME POINT Goes through self esteem problems, depression, anger, generalized pissiness.
What's your advice to a kid with zits? Plastic Surgery?"
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You certainly seemed to have read more into the simpleton advice that was there. So I assume you think the "makeover and ice cream" is fantastic advice?? Oh wait, you are going to act as interpreter and tell us what Niles REALLY meant to say.
Gee - ever stop and think when you take a child who thinks they are ugly to get a "makeover", you are confirming in their mind that you think they ARE ugly and need a makeover??? Ever think that going to the salad bar with a kid that thinks they are fat may be reenforcing that thought? Ever think that if the kid IS fat, it may (or may not be) a symptom of something else, and not just a love of Oreos?
And how did you make the flying leap to isolating the kid? or a psychiatric emergency? I never came CLOSE to saying anything like that. I believe if you READ my post, you will see I said "therapy, counseling, or whatever is needed to help the child"."
Amazing how you can twist Niles' words into something that sounds a little more reasonable (at least on the surfact), but take mine and twist them into something outlandish.
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