ElanAlum.com Guestbook
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Date: 04 Dec 2002
Remote Name: 64.83.120.146
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name: Jayme Aronson
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[email protected]city: Wilton, CT
country: USA
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Type: Alumni
House: three
From: 1998
Until: 2002
Date: 20 Nov 2002
Remote Name: 67.86.2.7
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Hey whats up guys. contact me if you want. it would be cool. I am at college right now. Quinnipiac University to be exact. Not as easy as I thought. For all the people who thought i would fail I have not and will not.
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name: emily
email:
[email protected]city: Voorhees, NJ
country: US
homepage_url:
Type: alum
House: 8
From: 7/23/99
Until: 6/4/01
Date: 19 Nov 2002
Remote Name: 68.44.80.224
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yerp, what's up to everyone. finally saw the page, read some of the comments. yea, i signed out, but after all that has happened since i have been home, has only made me stronger and smarter. i am a foreman at a landscaping company now. guess being a senior shingle helped pay off. lol. Family is good, for those who know my sisters, hillary graduated rutgers college of engineering and is working on her masters out in colorado. Rachael just graduated high school and is now starting her freshman year at Rowan University. Parents are good, they respect me, and understand better why i did the things i did, and that i have learned from them despite not having received a bronze diploma saying that i am "now fit to re enter society". anyways, nice to see a lot of familiar names in the guestbook. feel free to leave me an email if u wanna keep in touch.
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name: penny mckinney (now purington)
email:
[email protected]city: Boston, MA
country: USA
homepage_url:
Type: pulled out
House: 8
From: late 1996
Until: mid 1999
Date: 17 Nov 2002
Remote Name: 151.199.53.187
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I was reading guestbook postings and I'm not going to get into how I personally felt about my Elan experience, but those who knew me know that I had a worse experience than most, I can't say THE worst because I avoided the ring, even though I came close with Jenn F. and Tasha W. Anyways, contrary to the uncreative stereotype induced rumor after I first left, I AM NOT an alcoholic, and I'm in school and working part-time. I live at home because Elan guilt only goes so far to get me an appartment if I live 30 minutes away by train. It worked for 2 years, so I got something positive out of my Elan experience. If anyone has the phone numbers or e-mails for Erin S. and Maryam A., please forward them. I found a whole bunch of people I want to hear from, so I'll be emailing them within the next few weeks.
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name: Quinn Kelly
email:
[email protected]city: hillsdale nj
country: usa
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Type: parent
House: 7
From: may 5 2000
Until: june 15 2002
Date: 12 Nov 2002
Remote Name: 205.188.208.39
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update on dillon heyliger.
he graduated from basic training, fort leonard wood ms. last week. starts hazmat training today. signed up for airborne last week and is scared but looking forward to everything. sounds great, great positive attitude, has become very spiritual (this from a kid who was a confirmed atheist). putting money away for college and wants to go to school in boston. he will be home for christmas and has already put elan's stamp on his military experience by telling me when kids don't own up to being responsible for themselves. sharpshooter badge. 70 sit ups and 80 push ups in two minutes. 2 mile run in under 12 minutes. missed getting his outstanding PT badge by one sit up. thanks to all his friends and housemates for putting him on the right path.
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name: Greg Cosgrove
email:
[email protected]city: Holiston, Ma
country: Usa
homepage_url: N/A
Type:
House: 8
From: Sep, 24 2000
Until: Nov 8 2002
Date: 10 Nov 2002
Remote Name: 64.12.96.166
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name: Jayme Aronson
email:
[email protected]city: Bristol, CT 06010
country: usa
homepage_url:
Type: A
House: 1 & 4
From: 1975
Until: 1976
Date: 25 Oct 2002
Remote Name: 152.163.188.195
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What's up? I was in Elan when things were BAD. I was called "Cancer" by Joe Ricci and cut out of the House along with 6-7 other residents as we were all the fuck-ups: Ray Mesiah, Earl Vlasquez, Nancy Enis, Sean Ricci, and others..Drop me a line. I just found this site. I just finished serving a 10 year stretch in prison...
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name: Anya Taschner
email:
[email protected]city: Wayne, PA
country: US
homepage_url:
Type: student
House: 3
From: July 2001
Until: August 2002
Date: 15 Oct 2002
Remote Name: 141.151.12.140
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yeah im out anybody knows me just holla at me and send me an email
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name: Brian Fenzl
email:
[email protected]city: Halifax, N.S.
country: CANADA!!!!!!!
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Type:
House: eight
From: 1999
Until: 2002
Date: 11 Oct 2002
Remote Name: 24.224.157.33
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I just wanted to say hi to everyone, for i have lost contact with alot of people. Things are going well with me, I moved out of my group home and am in the middle of getting my own place with Natsha Pace ( for anyone who remembers that name, it's b/c she was in e-7)and getting ready for the holidays! and my b-day is soon. My first out of elan (i'll be 18 on nov 18th)and it's my golden. To all that I know take care, and feel free to e-mail me. Amanda Murley
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name: david kievsky
email:
[email protected]city: pa
country: usa
homepage_url:
Type: alumni
House: 7
From: 1998
Until: 2000
Date: 09 Oct 2002
Remote Name: 152.163.188.195
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I just wanted to say to everyone who knew brian bobb that he will be missed and always in our hearts. We will always remeber u brian
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name: Maren McCoy
email:
[email protected]city: Euclid,oh
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Type:
House: 8
From: aug 97
Until: aug 99
Date: 08 Oct 2002
Remote Name: 205.188.208.39
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Alexis Jordan was born on 9-23 7lbs 13oz. We are doing good. Her sister is already trying to beat her up. Well anyone who want to talk can e mail me. I dont check my e mail too often but I wont forget about you. Hope everyone is doing ok.
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name: Marina Fuser
email:
[email protected]city: Boston, Ma
country: USA
homepage_url:
Type: alumni
House: elan 8
From: 2000
Until: 2002
Date: 03 Oct 2002
Remote Name: 12.151.130.142
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Whats up everyone......people from elan 8....email me..i got some crazy stories...sean garbleman just visited me, and we chilled with Lisa winters, phil gannaway, tiffany voisine and joe martin...it was fun...anyways write me back everyone
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name: Debra Schneider
email:
[email protected]city: NJ, but in Flagstaff, Arizona
country: USA
homepage_url:
Type: grauduate
House: 8
From: Sept 99
Until: Aug 2001
Date: 28 Sep 2002
Remote Name: 205.188.208.39
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Hey everyone. I'm at school at Northern Arizona University. I'm studying acting, but soon I'll go back to NYC to get started auditioning for some stuff and see where it takes me. I'm going to study abroad either in New Zealand, Austrailia, or London.(not sure yet)I'm gonna do that maybe next semester or next year. I LOVE AZ. I made amazing friends here. If anyone wants to get in touch w/ me, then e mail me. I'd love to hear from yah. Take care. Peace & Love...TML
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name: Adrian Ventura
email:
[email protected]city: NJ BUT IN SCHOOL IN MASS
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House: E=3
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Date: 21 Sep 2002
Remote Name: 12.40.254.187
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I JUST WANTED TO SAY HI AND THAT I MISS EVERYONE.I'M AT SCHOOL AND AM HAVING A GOOD TIME,I MISS KATIE GIBSON,WHERE R U ? EMAIL ME GIRL..OF COURSE GENA , WELL YOU ALL CAN EMAIL ME AND I HOPE EVERYONE IS DOING WELL! eM
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name: David Loughman
email:
[email protected]city: Boston, MA
country: USA
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Type: Alum
House: 8
From: 7/95
Until: 1/98
Date: 15 Sep 2002
Remote Name: 168.122.252.125
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Okay, I thought i signed here recently, but i guess not. The main purpose of this post is to greet the Elan Alum freshmen to college - i'm located in the Boston area and am a senior, so if you want someone to talk to or show you around (and you're in or near Boston), drop me an email and we can definitely set something up. News? I'll be graduating this year with a BA in Computer Science and a minor in Business Management. Right now i'm actually done with my major so i get to take lots of cool electives - basically all kinds of stuff i've always wanted to know like sign language, graphic design, and probably photography in the spring. Hope everyone's keeping happy :smile: Feel free to give me a shout.
-Dave
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name: Missy Esty
email:
[email protected]city: Chicago
country: USA
homepage_url:
Type: Alumni
House: 8
From: 86
Until: 88
Date: 06 Sep 2002
Remote Name: 67.37.181.67
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People I would love to hear from or hear about include Derrick T, Nick C, Donavan S, Jake H, Mark K, Mark G, Emily G, Tony G, David Zig, Linda T (staff), Lori L (staff), Doug F, Sam B, Cory B, and Sandy T. It's a long list, but these dam people meant the world to me back then - even if I didn't show it. I miss those long walks during the fall months with Candy (staff). Spending hours talking with Cory B. by the soccer field, and blaming Donavan S for ripping out my hospital corners during inspection - I forgive you:) Love You Guys.
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name: david kievsky
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[email protected]city: Manchester, NH (currently)
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Type: alum
House: 3
From: 3/00
Until: 8/02
Date: 05 Sep 2002
Remote Name: 63.169.69.2
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I've been up at school for a week or so. It's not quite as I pictured it, but I love it none the less. I have one professor with a stick lodged up her ass but other than that they are all nice. I hope everyone is doing well and staying out of trouble... as best as possible.
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name: Jayme Leah Aronson
email:
[email protected]. Gibson i'd like to here from you and anyone else that wants to get in touch then email me.
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name: Peter Moore
email:
http://www.angelfire.com/pa5/lifelineType: Alumnus
House: Elan 8 Energizers
From: 10/19/93 -- A day that will live in infamy
Until: 6/13/96
Date: 04 Sep 2002
Remote Name: 63.52.96.138
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Hi guys, It's been almost a year since I signed this damn thing. I've become a fully entrenched, cigar-smoking, order-barking managing editor and I love it. I still write semi-regularly, had a couple articles on the Moxley Web site, just wrote my first political endorsement this week and have been a guest on local radio a lot lately. No Paula Zahn lately, but I've still had fun. That Skakel trial was an emotional experience to cover, even from a journalist's perspective. The verdict took my breath away. I was happy to meet Liz Arnold and Sarah Petersen, two Elan grads from the 70s, outside the courtroom.
It upsets me that former staff can't talk to former residents now and that staff refuse to get back to former residents. It's a true insult when some of our families paid enough tuition to that place for Joe Ricci to buy three Mercedes Benzes, yet they can't even return our phone calls.
Chris Silver, if you're out there, I tried e-mailing you and you never responded. I still view you as a very close friend after all these years and would kill to hear from you. Anyway, it was nice to see you sign the guestbook.
I want to say hi to all my friends too. Good luck to Kelley, and hi to Rachel, Maren, Claire, Tom Peters (nice to get that call from you), Sara, Mary, Rich, Ken, Dave Lorch, Louis, Julie and anyone I forgot. God bless.
Pete P.S. -- Thea Yatras, I am very worried about you, please contact me if you read this.
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name: david
email:
[email protected]city: bergen,jersey
country: STATES!!!!!!!
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Type:
House: 8
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Date: 03 Sep 2002
Remote Name: 64.12.96.234
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hi all,i leave for bootcamp tomarrow out in missouri so just want to wish everyone luck and happiness. stick tight and loyal with family so far ive had some of the best times of my life with family. dave good luck man i was so fucking phsyced and proud of u wen i heard u finally graduated,wish me luck ill be back a damn killing machine,ready to clean up the neighborhood, this is my pinkey,this is my thumb,this is my fist so u better run,ill get plenty of that soon, keep the faith and keep the pride. PS.baker u may be up in boston but ull always be from pillow biter Boca
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name: nick weidman
email:
[email protected]city: New London CT
country: usa
homepage_url:
Type: GRAD
House: 8
From: 12/10/99
Until: 8/16/02
Date: 26 Aug 2002
Remote Name: 12.3.200.235
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I WOULD LIKE TO SAY THAT BEING IN ELAN WAS THE HARDEST THING IN MY LIFE THAT I HAD DONE. I AM EXTREMLY HAPPY THAT I FINISHED THE PROGRAM BECAUSE NOW I HAVE MOVED ON TO COLLEGE. STARTING A NEW EXPIERINCE LIKE COLLEGE IS A MILLION TIMES BETTER IF YOU CLOSE A CHAPTER IN YOUR LIFE LIKE I DID IN ELAN. IF YOU WERE IN THE HOUSE AT THE SAME TIME THAT I WAS, THEN FEEL FREE TO E-MAIL ME HERE AT COLLEGE. I CHECK MY MAIL EVERYDAY AND WOULD RESPOND IF YOU WRITE. SPECIAL THANK YOU TO MISSY AND KEN!!!!!!YOU GUYS ARE GREAT. THANK YOU TO ALL THE PEOPLE THAT HAVE HELPED ME ALONG THE WAY. sEE YA******************8
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name: Chris Baker
email:
[email protected]city: Boston MA
country:
homepage_url: papichulo
Type: alumni
House: elan 3
From: jan 2ooo
Until: aug2oo2
Date: 22 Aug 2002
Remote Name: 64.12.96.234
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i just wnat to say whats up to all the people ive met. I just graduated and its hard out in this world just doing my thing and trying to keep my head up. Yo if kievet out there just holla and after reading this it is good to hear yall doing your thing emily derreck kate you know who you are. just holla por favor,ta veo
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name: Fallon A. Prtichard
email:
[email protected]city: Lynnfielf,MA
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Type: alumni
House: 3
From: 3/00
Until: 8/02
Date: 21 Aug 2002
Remote Name: 12.91.0.254
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I just read alot of the guestbook and I'm thrilled everyone I know is doing well. I just graduated and I've been working, which sucks but gives me money to spend at school. I'm off to college in the fall... hope it all goes well. Best wishes to everyone.
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name: Maren
email:
[email protected]city: Amsterdam
country: Netherlands
homepage_url:
Type: Alumni
House: 8
From: 1989
Until: 1991
Date: 17 Aug 2002
Remote Name: 80.11.209.16
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Elan was an experience never to forget. I think it was that way for all of us. Whether a bitter or a sweet memory, one is not able to forget Elan. The 'Rings', 'VR's', 'House Meetings', etc can be looked back upon with a smile or a frown, but one always looks back. Hello to all Alumni, especially those from 1989 - 1991, the best years of Elan history. ciao
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name: Kate Ryan
email:
[email protected]city: NJ
country: States!
homepage_url:
Type:
House: 8
From: 2000
Until: 2002
Date: 17 Aug 2002
Remote Name: 64.12.104.169
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been home in jersey for the summer and its been nuts,been out to cali and just working,relaxing and hanging out with old and new friends.all great kids,seen a couple old elan buddies and keep in touch with plenty more,gotta say its kinda a lonly road cuz not having been around here a long time separates you fromtight bonds but ive found plenty of fullfillment in having a very wonderful and honest relationship with myself, started along with the good old catholic religion to keep my morals strong and straight,and stick with all that is good.been sticking pretty much with the irish and italian kids around here that are into the services and do volunteer for fire depts.going into the ARMY myself Sept 5th for 3 years, MOS is Chemical Operations Specialist,NBC,nuclear,biological and chemical-so after the ARMY ill get myself into a fire dept. cant wait for basic, kicking ass! think im gunna go for RANGERs training,hope to be sent out to europe somewhere near ireland so i can live up mydreams,some day ill be living there,its so fucking beautiful.elan was a great experiance but i dont miss it much, it was hard for me to really get involved cuz i got kinda stuck on just wanting to move on and stop feeling like a screw up.but its great to be loving life and having alot of respect, got my first tatoo,real nice!,and hope to get one more before the services.only troubles so far are old friends dying,uncle terminally ill with cancer and some racial clashes, but other than that keeping it deep and keeping it proud,just dont forget the struggles!keep the faith, And shepards we shall be for Thee,my Lord, for Thee and power have desended forth from Thy hand our feet shall swiftly carry out Thy command and will will flow a river forth onto Thy and teeming with souls shall it ever be I n-ainm an athar, agus an mhic, agus an sprid naoimh. a'ime'in
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name: Becky Kayser
email:
[email protected]city: INDIANAPOLIS IN
country: UNITED STATES
homepage_url:
Type: ALUMNI
House: 8
From: 1981
Until: 1982
Date: 14 Aug 2002
Remote Name: 152.163.197.72
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HEY EVERY ONE JUST LOOKING FOR PEOPLE IN EIGHT AROUND 81 TO 83
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name: Chris Arnoldi
email:
[email protected]city: euclid,ohio
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Type:
House: 8
From: 97
Until: 99
Date: 10 Aug 2002
Remote Name: 64.12.102.169
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Hello everyone....I apologize for being somewhat distant lately. My life has been very full with work and Kiana who is now 2 and being pregnant...Yep thats right I have another little girl on the way Sept. 16th is the due date I am so excited (and exhausted). I couldnt be happier (well maybe if I was a millionaire). Things are coming together real nicely for me and my little family.Well I hope all of you are happy or at least on your way to getting there.Please feel free to write I love hearing from all of you.
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name: KATIE GIBSON
email:
[email protected]city: New Jersey
country: USA
homepage_url:
Type: Signed Out
House: Elan 8
From: June 11, 1999
Until: November 27, 2001
Date: 07 Aug 2002
Remote Name: 206.203.33.55
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Um, Okay! I'm really happy i signed out Cuz i hated that place, and i hate tha fact that tha staff were telling me i was goin to graduate but then leave me hangin, but anyway. THa program was tough, i didnt have many students help me it was mostly staff, i was always in trouble and missy was always there for me, then came along clare towards tha end of me stay. i never got along with marc, pete and britt were there but not as mush as missy and Jamie oh i love him he was the best staff member i ever had, then he left so i felt i had no one in tha program except missy, anyway, yeah im doin really bad and im always kicked out of my house, but i always have a place to live, my friends r nice to me. i dont know what else to say
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name: Thomas Peters
email:
[email protected] for anyone who wants to drop a line.
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name: kelley blaney
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[email protected]city:
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Type:
House: 8
From: 99
Until: 2002
Date: 27 Jul 2002
Remote Name: 205.188.208.39
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Hello folks, I just graduated from Elan yesterday. Just wanted to say that I am well and if anyone I used to know would like to contact me my email address is
[email protected]city: Atkinson, NH
country: USA
homepage_url:
Type: Alumni
House: 8
From: 87
Until: 88
Date: 23 Jul 2002
Remote Name: 64.12.96.234
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Kim P told me about this site...i don recognize many names, nor do I remember a whole lot of names. I just got in contact with Kim P a month or so ago and it is fun talking with her. I hope all is well with everyone.
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name: Maren
email:
http://profiles.yahoo.com/rauls_pissy_girlfriendType: alum
House: 8
From: 1997
Until: 2000
Date: 22 Jul 2002
Remote Name: 216.166.247.199
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IT'S BAGEL DAY!
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name: Matthew Whitman
email: Doublebag6@aol
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Date: 18 Jul 2002
Remote Name: 64.12.96.166
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name: Noah Severs
email:
[email protected]city: Westfield NJ
country: USA
homepage_url:
Type: Alumni
House: 8
From: 0ct 98
Until: Oct 2000
Date: 09 Jul 2002
Remote Name: 205.188.199.151
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Hey everyone. I hope is everyone is well. Ia m still in college. Taking it one day at a time. Life right now is a great HIGH. Great things are happening> I have learned since graduating elan. I have been through some pain and I held on and I learned theres always that light at the end of an experience that you always end up in a better place and gain more wisdom. Hopefully, GOD willing I will be working as a counselor at a rehab. All I have to say aboutElan its just another place where it will help you only if you want it, willingness is what did it for me. Elan had its negative points to it. It saved my ass for a couple years. I would be instititionlized or dead. So thank you and everyone take of your selves. Amanda congrats on graduating and Hello to Peter Moore I love you like a bro. Hello Rachel I miss you. I love you too thanks alot for everything I know we havent talked I lost your number. Give me a ring or email me- ClaireBear
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name: Jennifer milo
email:
[email protected]city: IL
country: Bagdad
homepage_url:
http://profiles.yahoo.com/rauls_pissy_girlfriendType: alum
House: 8
From: 1997
Until: 2000
Date: 27 Jun 2002
Remote Name: 216.166.247.199
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Hi everyone. Does anyone have any clue what happened to Danielle? She dissapeared this week. Not to worry, she just isnt responding to her phone or E-mail. Im going to Boston this weekend to visit Lisa Tiffany and Toby and maybe some others. Miss everyone and if you were in Elan when I was Id love to talk to you. Love Maren
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name: Derrek Larkin
email: WuBangin718#ao.com
city: Glen Rock, NJ
country: USA
homepage_url:
Type: Alum
House: 3
From: 1999
Until: 2001
Date: 25 Jun 2002
Remote Name: 66.119.34.39
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Yo whats up i havent really actually signed this in a while but ive been doing a lot better. I've had my hard times since i graduated elan and ive realize that everyone doe but ive been doing better and i wanted to say hi to everyone, if u wanna email me then my emil addres is on here. Kievit, Kate Gibson, Jordan Zmick, Jake i wanna here from u guys so drop an emailor something
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name: Amanda H. Moore (tek)
email:
http://www.sacredchow.comType: Graduate
House: Seven 777
From: July 95
Until: July 98
Date: 24 Jun 2002
Remote Name: 205.188.193.172
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Hi y'all. Things are terrific. I just had a baby March 25th named Huxley (Huck) Parker Preefer-Moore (9 pounds 10 ounces, try getting that one out.) I live in the greatest city in the world with my partner. We run a hip vegan eatery in the west village which explains part of why my son was so big. New York Press just ran an article on us called "The New Gay Couple." I think it's online, but you can also check our business out at sacredchow.com. After Elan graduation and before the business ownership I was attending Sarah Lawrence College being a musician/computer geek/academic. I haven't signed this guestbook for a while. I lived down south for a while in Asheville, NC. I am glad I moved back, but there sure are no terrorists trying to blow up anything in western North Carolina, that's for damn sure. So now, between diapers and onesies, I schmooze with the rich and famous and live like an aristocrat. so email me. Happy Pride Month.
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name: Michelle Von Bokern
email:
[email protected]city: NJ
country:
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Type:
House: elan3
From:
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Date: 18 Jun 2002
Remote Name: 205.188.198.171
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Hey you guys just wanted to say hi!! I'm doing well i'm working in NYC it is so much fun. I've been doing really. If anybody i know wants to email go ahead ~Emily~
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name: Adam Zare
email:
[email protected]city: Highland Park, IL currently Boston for school
country: USA
homepage_url:
Type: Alumni
House: Elan 3
From: don't really
Until: remember
Date: 17 Jun 2002
Remote Name: 129.64.99.48
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Hello... Its time i wrote in here again... Well.. I'm finally back in college for the summer at Brandeis University... I took a lot of time off as my head was messed up and my mother was very sick but I'm glad to be back and I'm going through that wonderful phase of missing all the wonderful people I met at Elan.. I've turned into a Raver... so my world is now completely different but I'm very happy with where i am in life.. and I've really learned to become independent... I miss so many o
