Treatment Abuse, Behavior Modification, Thought Reform > Brat Camp
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Deborah:
***Makes me check the whole thread much less frequently than I used to.
Precisely their goal. Decrease readership.
The virus has migrated from KarenInDallas to this thread and will consume it as well, if the regulars don't ignore them.
Anonymous:
--- Quote ---On 2005-09-16 06:14:00, Anonymous wrote:
"No the staff don't twist your arms to make you hike, if you refuse to hike then you are known as whats called a sitter, you will eventually be sent to a group called Bullfrogs where 'bad' kids go. The only punishment about this 'Bullfrogs' group is that you cannot speak to other students in the group. RCA is lovely, im not endorsing it or anything, i went there and enjoyed it very much and got alot out of it."
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I find that difficult to buy. If you put all the 'bad kids' together and the only punishment is to order them to silence, what would get them to hike? Also, putting all the 'bad kids' together sounds like a bad idea. The idea of putting poorly behaved kids in the same group is one of the primary reasons psychologists site when concluding tough love programs and detention centers don't work. It's the same reason prisons create criminals. You could also end up with a group rebellion.
I have often heard defenders of these programs say that the abuse allegatons are anectodal, but when you see it on tape with Mike Wallace doing the investigating, it becomes quite convincing. Two kids on the tape claim kids are subjected to arm twisting and physcial pain to force them into hiking. Are you saying they are both telling identical lies?
Perhaps you never refused to hike and so did not experience or see these consequences. Were you assigned to Bullfrogs? How would you know what goes on there?
Anonymous:
When the kid tells 'Dr Dan' what the staff did to him he doesn't react with surprise, shock, or incredulity. He just says, "What I want to know is why do you think you need to be hurt." :eek:
Anonymous:
I appreciated the 60 minute clip that was posted. I viewed the clip prior to sending my son to Red Cliff and it really helped me to not be shocked when he had to be restrained within 20 minutes of being there because he didn't want to do the strip search...
What do you think we parents send our kids there for anyway! He was an aggressive drug user who defied authority, who had no regard for people or property. He thought the world owed him a living. Sitting on his butt at home - kicked out of school - dealing drugs out of my garage.
We had given him every therapy possible. Went to parenting class ourselves and lived through years of terror and torment.
So what if he is a little uncomfortable. Actually his letters indicate that he likes it there and is learning a lot of great things.
Not having the comforts of home and the distractions help them to turn inward and really look at their crap.
FYI -- I am not a wealthy person and the cost of a 90 day program is now upwards of 30K -- I don't think parents do this without a great deal of sacrifice and really as a last resort.
What do kids expect will happen to them if they defy their parents?
Nothing -- that is the problem
Anonymous:
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On 2005-10-04 15:07:00, Anonymous wrote:
"I appreciated the 60 minute clip that was posted. I viewed the clip prior to sending my son to Red Cliff and it really helped me to not be shocked when he had to be restrained within 20 minutes of being there because he didn't want to do the strip search...
What do you think we parents send our kids there for anyway! He was an aggressive drug user who defied authority, who had no regard for people or property. He thought the world owed him a living. Sitting on his butt at home - kicked out of school - dealing drugs out of my garage.
We had given him every therapy possible. Went to parenting class ourselves and lived through years of terror and torment.
So what if he is a little uncomfortable. Actually his letters indicate that he likes it there and is learning a lot of great things.
Not having the comforts of home and the distractions help them to turn inward and really look at their crap.
FYI -- I am not a wealthy person and the cost of a 90 day program is now upwards of 30K -- I don't think parents do this without a great deal of sacrifice and really as a last resort.
What do kids expect will happen to them if they defy their parents?
Nothing -- that is the problem
"
Since when does Wilderness Therapy cure drug addiction?
Sheesh, for that kind of money, you could have sent your son to a REAL drug rehab facility and still had money left over.
:roll:
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