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ABC Family Brat Camp Forum - RedCliff Ascent
Anonymous:
--- Quote ---RCAH8R
Wow
Posted: Jan 07, 2005 03:04 PM reply
7 Posts
Registered: Jan 07, 2005 02:27 PM
Look people there are way better programs out there then RCA. Trust me. Feel free to read my other post or E-Mail me at netime and I will give you real deal on RCA. Yeah it helps but there is some faulty things that go on in that world that people should know about. Look at like Aspen or SUWS or other ones. RCA is the tougest but sometimes kids don't need that. If a kid has a drug problem this won't do anything for it. This is coming from one the biggest terrors on the planet that has been to 2 different wilderness programs and an emotional growth boarding school for 22 months. I am program knowledeific so just ask.
alur33@hotmail.com
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Anonymous:
--- Quote ---RCAH8RReal
Redcliffer
Posted: Jan 07, 2005 03:00 PM reply
7 Posts
Registered: Jan 07, 2005 02:27 PM
Ok this show is straight nonsense as far as I can see for right now. I went to RCA and that place is no joke. The little bit of film that I've seen of it is so far off the spectrum it's unreal. Honestly I'm sorta stuck on where to even begin because when I went to RCA I was 15 years old. I'm now 22 and can honestly say that I still resent my parents for ever sending me there. It was not what fixed my problems for me and did nothing for the drug habit that I had already well endowed into myself. I was going through crazy withdrawls that were shown no simpathy, and no matter how messed up you are to people and what you have done, hiking 12 miles a day and making fires out of sticks, and having people downtalk you while you hike will not make you feel better about yourself.
I also don't want parents to think that this is necessarily a safe place either, and Redcliff can quote me on this next part that I'm about to get into.
When you go to RCA you have to go to the DR's and you usually go within a group that you have arrived at about the same time with. On the way to and from you have to blindfold yourself in order to "Not know where your going" In the middle of Utah though you have no idea where the hell you are neways. So anyways our driver thought he was just too hot to trot and was going way too fast on a dirt road for any vehicle especially for the lifted Suburban that we were in. So we start fishtailing then eventually the Suburban flips over and whaddya know...A whole bunch of injuries occur. The kid next to me wasn't wearing a seat belt and injured his neck, I shattered the growth plate in my left arm, one of the female counslers got hit in the face with a gasoline canister that we carried water in, another kid cut his hand open.....Needless to say it was an eventful day. Not over yet though. If I knew what was going to come next I would have ran away, it was chaotic enough and the problem was though most of us were too injured to do anything about it. After 45 minutes of waiting for an ambulance, and another hour trip into town we received medical attention at the hospital. All of us asked to speak with our parents to let them know what happened and that we were ok and everything. WELL THAT DIDN'T HAPPEN. We all had counslers with us the entire time to make sure that we didn't use the phone to even call out parents. I mean what is that? My parents did not know the severity of the situation that the driver was showboating whilest driving and it was his fault that we were injured. The DR's that treated every one said that we needed bed rest for a few days, the counslers said that wouldn't be possible and so for all of us that were injured we got taken to Wendy's for food and the 2 kids in Neck Braces along with me and all the others that were injured went back into the field the same night. Now I know this was a severe instence of something that could happen newhere but the people there are not about your well being and you becoming someone better. You see the Therapist once a week or maybe every other I forget but you only talk to them for like 30 minutes and they tell you what you need to do. My therapist suggested my folks not write me as much so that I could focus on me and that looking for letters from them sets me up for failure. In the middle of nowhere, with no idea of when you'll get out, no help for drug addiction which is half the kids problems, and no letters from the parents...You tell me does that sound helpful.
In the end I was at RCA for 88 days. There was a kid that had been there for 4 months when I got there and was still there when I left. The kid had a learning disability and was unable to focus on bookwork like we did. Since it's also part of the curriculum he was just sorta stuck but had become so accustomed to living there that you felt no need to change.
My group had the handcart because we were a bunch of injured retards. Like I say the money is not worth it for the parents, the resentmeant that alot of us feel towards our parents is not worth it, and for some it does change them completely but for others it just shows them to not get caught. I also did 35 days of my time with a cast (Which shoulda been 28 but they didn't have time to take me to the DR.) An experience I wish I had never lived and I thank ABC Family for making it seem like it's some sorta joke or something, I sure hope you give it a proper justification.
So my name is Matthew R. aka Gimpy (From the Injury) aka Storm Fox the name I was given in my name ceremony at RCA.
Oh yeah sometime people should look up the day that the kids rebelled at RCA when counslers got beat up and rebelled in an uprising...That's always a good story.
And why the hell are the kids English or something? I don't understand TV sometimes.
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--- Quote ---Frogger_Chickadee
Re: Re: Real Redcliffer
Posted: Jan 09, 2005 12:20 PM reply
12 Posts
Registered: Jan 09, 2005 11:34 AM
hey Matt we should exchange WAR STORIES sometime email me
sweetie24142003@yahoo.com i was there in 2001
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--- Quote ---getchasome123
Re: Re: Real Redcliffer
Posted: Jan 09, 2005 05:59 PM reply
10 Posts
Registered: Jan 09, 2005 05:37 PM
all right dude, you said yourself you had a drug problem, so what else did you do to get sent out there. there are ways of preventing these things. listen to mommy and daddy and don't throw tantrums when they tell you no.
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--- Quote ---braduh60l
Re: Re: Real Redcliffer
Posted: Jan 10, 2005 06:10 AM reply
6 Posts
Registered: Jan 10, 2005 05:56 AM
Its not suppose to make you feel better about yourself you idot. The camp is there as an alternative to prison. So I'd say your lucky your parents didn't send you to jail or prison.
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--- Quote ---Roar2000
Re: Re: Real Redcliffer
Posted: Jan 10, 2005 09:08 PM reply
4 Posts
Registered: Jan 10, 2005 08:10 PM
where can i find this story about the staff getting ina riot with the kids?
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--- Quote ---brightwinds
Re: Re: Real Redcliffer
Posted: Jan 10, 2005 09:30 PM reply
2 Posts
Registered: Jan 10, 2005 09:26 PM
I haven't seen the show , but I heard about it through someone that I met at RCA. I graduated from there about four years ago and it actually helped me. I know that there is a lot of messed up things that happen out in the wilderness and the staff could careless about you getting injured or sick but that's all part of the process. I had to hike everyday with a torn ligament in my ankle and needed surgery when I got out, but I still think I was able to get back on the right path and learn alot from going through this program. I don't think it was a joke at all, but the program does help you if you let it.
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Anonymous:
--- Quote ---McGee1831
Shame To Reality TV
Posted: Jan 08, 2005 04:04 PM reply
2 Posts
Registered: Jan 08, 2005 03:42 PM
I have to agree with RCAH8TR who previously posted his/her statement on the shame which you at ABC family have put on yourself. I too have been placed in multiple programs, including RCA. First I was placed in the actual original ASCENT program in Idaho, I was there for 3 months. Followed by another wilderness program in Montana for 2 more months. Parents thought the third time was the charm and sent me to RCA, the sister to the more severe ASCENT program in Idaho. I was in RCA for 2 more months. Im not going to say that I was right and my parents were wrong. Im not going to justify any actions or defend myself to say that these programs are worthless, because all in all, I did gain a lot of knowledge and self awareness from these programs. But what I got out of them, as well as others might or might not get out of them is their own private accomplishments, or lack there of. A lot of teens in this world have issues, some can be worked with to help prevent, others are there for the rest of their lives. But for you to exploit them for a measly profit is disrespectful and inhumane. If these teens have issues, it's their parents responsibility to seek their own help in a private matter, and thats if a teen can't find help for him/herself. Being a parent now, I understand what I had put my parents and myself through, and I thank them for their choices to send me away. I just hope I dont have to do that to my own kids. But if I choose to, its my own private decission to make, not yours or any producers, and you wouldnt be able to buy my kids problems either.
If anything you're only antagonizing these kids even more. But if angrier kids mean more ratings and more cash in your pockets, then I guess you succeeded and brought yourself to an all-time low in reality TV. Id love to see all of you at corrporate ABC go through the same programs RCAH8TR and I and many others have been through, on film, unedited. Maybe then you could see that these kids abd there families emotional stress and relationship issues are not to be solved by TV, but their own private attempts. If those attempts lead to Wilderness camps, they shold not be exploited, rather left alone so these kids can understand for themselves and go back to living new lives. But what does my commnet mean? probably nothing, just as long as you make more money, the general public, or even those who relate to your reality tv victims (not just brat camp)dont even matter.
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--- Quote ---carolynbadams
Re: Re: Shame To Reality TV
Posted: Jan 08, 2005 10:12 PM reply
11 Posts
Registered: Jan 01, 2005 04:06 PM
I too went to RedCliff and agree that we should not be exploited. Seeing the previews has definitley brought back alot of emotions, especially when they decide to name the show Brat Camp. Well, just thought that you should know that someone agrees with you.
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--- Quote ---catheo05
Re: Re: Shame To Reality TV
Posted: Jan 09, 2005 09:35 PM reply
4 Posts
Registered: Jan 06, 2005 10:44 PM
Where did you go in Montana? i'd like to know because i was up there when i was sent away.
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--- Quote ---McGee1831
Re: Re: Shame To Reality TV
Posted: Jan 11, 2005 08:59 PM reply
2 Posts
Registered: Jan 08, 2005 03:42 PM
It was a place called Explorations in trout creek montana. Where did you go?
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--- Quote ---benjiz_babe
Re: Re: Shame To Reality TV
Posted: Jan 11, 2005 08:49 AM reply
13 Posts
Registered: Jan 11, 2005 08:13 AM
itz not reality...itz all fake 2 me.....they all act...cuz no other camp filmz watz going on and they do on brat camp....itz fake!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!
stay punk rock 4 life
ash
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--- Quote ---4calif_roses
Re: Re: Shame To Reality TV
Posted: Jan 11, 2005 09:03 AM reply
58 Posts
Registered: Jan 01, 2005 05:56 PM
Sorry to burst your bubble...but the experience was not fake. My child was there while the Brits were there. She was there for 73 days. Don't disrespect their time, emotional growth or accomplishments there. It is not a joke. It is unfortunate that the British Producers named the program "Brat Camp", but guess they wouldn't have gotten as many people to watch it otherwise.
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--- Quote ---legolashorse
Re: Re: Shame To Reality TV
Posted: Jan 11, 2005 10:04 AM reply
19 Posts
Registered: Jan 11, 2005 09:49 AM
All everyone wants to do to this program is diss it! Think about the people. They are all out of control! I am sorry you had to go through that, but why did you not get it the first time? (I say that not sarcastically) I know you all think it is just for profit, but maybe they wanted to help other parents know that there is hope for their own teens. I know you all think I must be really nieve, but think about it, they are there to help you all! Ephesians 6:1-3 "Children obey your parents in the the Lord, for THIS is right! Honor your father and mother that it may be well with thee and that thou mayest live long on the earth." If you had obeyed you parents, then you would'nt have had problems! If you want to talk to me more, horsewize1@msn.com will get you to me!
Message was edited by: legolashorse
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--- Quote ---mrsb63
Re: Re: Shame To Reality TV
Posted: Jan 11, 2005 10:25 AM reply
6 Posts
Registered: Jan 11, 2005 09:08 AM
Parents are human. We make mistakes. And sometimes, unfortunately, our kids are the ones who suffer because of them.
Should a program like this be televised?
I can see where doing a special on it might be good, to let parents know that this choice is available to them, if they decide they need it. But to make a series out of it? To show the details of these kids' lives and issues? No. I think the kids would have been better off at home, working on their issues with their parents and private therapists. The issues have to worked out with the parents eventually anyway. But I can see where having a camp like this can help that process get off to a better start, especially if drugs are involved, or tempers are out of control.
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