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Offline starry-eyed pirate

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« on: June 15, 2005, 08:24:00 PM »
Revolution(peaceful)...?
What if we all... just realized how strong we are?
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« Reply #1 on: June 15, 2005, 09:18:00 PM »
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« Reply #2 on: June 15, 2005, 11:36:00 PM »
I tend to agree...

We all seem to have no trouble realizing how strong THEY are...figuratively.
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« Reply #3 on: June 16, 2005, 10:48:00 AM »
You have my arms in it if you can use me. yet there is no such thing as a peaceful revolution.

A wise and frugal government, which shall restrain men from injuring one another; shall leave them otherwise free to regulate their own pursuits of industry and improvement
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our walking down a hallway, you turn left, you turn right. BRICK WALL!

GAH!!!!

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« Reply #4 on: June 16, 2005, 11:57:00 AM »
:skull: [ This Message was edited by: Exit Plan on 2005-06-16 12:10 ]
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« Reply #5 on: June 16, 2005, 05:20:00 PM »
I have thought about this post all day. What is it that we should revolt against/for? Sounding a battle cry and rallying the troups arouses alot of emotion but to what good, if the end results are not specified.

I appreciate the enthusiasim (sp) but question the result. Would the effort applied to this "revolution" idea be that more powerful if in fact the "revolution" first start within before efforts are aimed outward.

Another thought... "It is not enough to have something to fight against, we must have someting to fight for." A quote from the Three Musketeer's, I think...I dont recall where I first heard it.
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« Reply #6 on: June 17, 2005, 12:52:00 AM »
Yeah, i hear ya. i am just expressin' a feelin' i get when i start to get all like indignant or somethin'and even if i wasn't i couldn't talk about it here. i used to fantasize about throwin' a malotov cocktail through the front window at 5515 backlick rd. but now i'm all disillusioned with violence. :skull:
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« Reply #7 on: June 17, 2005, 01:39:00 AM »
You sound like such a flower child.  ::rainbow::

I give money for church organs in the hope the organ music will distract the congregation's attention from the rest of the service.
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« Reply #8 on: June 17, 2005, 01:50:00 AM »
i grew up a militant, but now i'm just a militant prankster ::rainbow::
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If you would have justice in this world, then begin to see that a human being is not a means to some end.  People are not commodities.  When human beings are just to one another government becomes obsolete and real freedom is born; SPIRITUAL ANARCHY.

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« Reply #9 on: June 17, 2005, 11:03:00 AM »
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On 2005-06-16 14:20:00, Woof-a-Doof wrote:

"I have thought about this post all day. What is it that we should revolt against/for? Sounding a battle cry and rallying the troups arouses alot of emotion but to what good, if the end results are not specified.



I appreciate the enthusiasim (sp) but question the result. Would the effort applied to this "revolution" idea be that more powerful if in fact the "revolution" first start within before efforts are aimed outward.



Another thought... "It is not enough to have something to fight against, we must have someting to fight for." A quote from the Three Musketeer's, I think...I dont recall where I first heard it."

We must have something to fight for.....


Very good point!

Unification around a single goal is one of the tools of political action.  Find a plank, a platform, a point and grab onto it with the tenacity of a pit bull. Ever'bod on that point always, insist on it, codified line by line by line, no deviation, no individual analysis. Works good, (like a telemarketing script)

This method, effective as it may be, is also the source of bullheaded, astigmatic and inflexible attitudes and Faith-based vs. Reality-based policy.

"Don't bother me with the facts!"
"The Bible says it, I believe it and that settles it!"
"WHAT! you don't "Feel That" WHAT? Then you're a @#$% and a [email protected]#$ and yo'mama too!"

Now what is IT?  Do we have a common destination? And who is we?

We exchange ideas on WWF...I find quite a variety here, from angry and reactive to thoughtful and well written. We have our differences, our own personal icks and squicks.

None of us is as dumb as all of us.

Who is US, and what do we want of a revolution? Keep talkin'  

There is somethin happenin' here,
What it is ain't exactaly clear,
There's a man with a gun over there,
Tellin' me I've got to beware

You got to stop, children,
What's that sound?
Ever'body look what's goin down.
-Buffalo Springfield

Check this discussion, http://www.fornits.com/wwf/viewtopic.ph ... forum=9&15
somethings goin' down in Memphis TN..... and it's got worldwide attention.

Screening pre-school kids for anti-social behavior is about as useful as screening the Christian Coalition for sanctimonious behavior.
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« Reply #10 on: June 17, 2005, 11:05:00 AM »
hmmm
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« Reply #11 on: June 17, 2005, 03:50:00 PM »
Dr. Lawrence Britt has examined the fascist regimes of Hitler (Germany), Mussolini (Italy), Franco (Spain), Suharto (Indonesia) and several Latin American regimes. Britt found 14 defining characteristics common to each:

1. Powerful and Continuing Nationalism - Fascist regimes tend to make constant use of patriotic mottos, slogans, symbols, songs, and other paraphernalia. Flags are seen everywhere, as are flag symbols on clothing and in public displays.

2. Disdain for the Recognition of Human Rights - Because of fear of enemies and the need for security, the people in fascist regimes are persuaded that human rights can be ignored in certain cases because of "need." The people tend to look the other way or even approve of torture, summary executions, assassinations, long incarcerations of prisoners, etc.

3. Identification of Enemies/Scapegoats as a Unifying Cause - The people are rallied into a unifying patriotic frenzy over the need to eliminate a perceived common threat or foe: racial , ethnic or religious minorities; liberals; communists; socialists, terrorists, etc.

4. Supremacy of the Military - Even when there are widespread domestic problems, the military is given a disproportionate amount of government funding, and the domestic agenda is neglected. Soldiers and military service are glamorized.

5. Rampant Sexism - The governments of fascist nations tend to be almost exclusively male-dominated. Under fascist regimes, traditional gender roles are made more rigid. Divorce, abortion and homosexuality are suppressed and the state is represented as the ultimate guardian of the family institution.

6. Controlled Mass Media - Sometimes to media is directly controlled by the government, but in other cases, the media is indirectly controlled by government regulation, or sympathetic media spokespeople and executives. Censorship, especially in war time, is very common.

7. Obsession with National Security - Fear is used as a motivational tool by the government over the masses.

8. Religion and Government are Intertwined - Governments in fascist nations tend to use the most common religion in the nation as a tool to manipulate public opinion. Religious rhetoric and terminology is common from government leaders, even when the major tenets of the religion are diametrically opposed
to the government's policies or actions.

9. Corporate Power is Protected - The industrial and business aristocracy of a fascist nation often are the ones who put the government leaders into power, creating a mutually beneficial business/government relationship and power elite.

10. Labor Power is Suppressed - Because the organizing power of labor is the only real threat to a fascist government, labor unions are either eliminated entirely, or are severely suppressed.
11. Disdain for Intellectuals and the Arts - Fascist nations tend to promote and tolerate open hostility to higher education, and academia. It is not uncommon for professors and other academics to be censored or even arrested. Free expression in the arts and letters is openly attacked.

12. Obsession with Crime and Punishment - Under fascist regimes, the police are given almost limitless power to enforce laws. The people are often willing to overlook police abuses and even forego civil liberties in the name of patriotism. There is often a national police force with virtually unlimited power in fascist nations.

13. Rampant Cronyism and Corruption - Fascist regimes almost always are governed by groups of friends and associates who appoint each other to government positions and use governmental power and authority to protect their friends from accountability. It is not uncommon in fascist regimes for national resources and even treasures to be appropriated or even outright stolen by government leaders.
14. Fraudulent Elections - Sometimes elections in fascist nations are a complete sham. Other times elections are manipulated by smear campaigns against or even assassination of opposition candidates, use of legislation to control voting numbers or political district boundaries, and manipulation of the media. Fascist nations also typically use their judiciaries to manipulate or control elections.

Does any of this sound familiar?


When the government's boot is on your throat, whether it is a left boot or a right boot is of no consequence.
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« Reply #12 on: June 18, 2005, 06:43:00 AM »
No peaceful revolution? Hmmmm A few thoughts, not all my own, but ones I have pieced together and they make sense to me.

To revolt within society in order to make it a little better, to bring about certain reforms, is like the revolt of prisoners to improve their life within the prison walls; and such revolt is no revolt at all, it is just mutiny. Do you see the difference? Revolt within society is like the mutiny of prisoners who want better food, better treatment within the prison; but revolt born of understanding is an individual breaking away from society, and that is creative revolution.

To have peace, we must be peaceful; to live peacefully means not to create antagonism. Peace is not an ideal. To me, an ideal is merely an escape, an avoidance of what is, a contradiction of what is. An ideal prevents direct action upon what is. To have peace, we will have to love, we will have to begin not to live an ideal life but to see things as they are and act upon them, transform them. As long as each one of us is seeking psychological security, the physiological security we need ? food, clothing and shelter ? is destroyed. We are seeking psychological security, which does not exist; and we seek it, if we can, through power, through position, through titles, names ? all of which is destroying physical security.

To bring about peace in the world, to stop all wars, there must be a revolution in the individual, in you and me. Economic revolution without this inward revolution is meaningless, for hunger is the result of the maladjustment of economic conditions produced by our psychological states ? greed, envy, ill-will and possessiveness. To put an end to sorrow, to hunger, to war, there must be a psychological revolution and few of us are willing to face that. We will discuss peace, plan legislation, create new leagues, the United Nations and so on and on; but we will not win peace because we will not give up our position, our authority, our money, our properties, our stupid lives. To rely on others is utterly futile; others cannot bring us peace. No leader is going to give us peace, no government, no army, no country. What will bring peace is inward transformation, which will lead to outward action. Inward transformation is not isolation, is not a withdrawal from outward action. On the contrary, there can be right action only when there is right thinking and there is no right thinking when there is no self-knowledge. Without knowing yourself, there is no peace.
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« Reply #13 on: June 18, 2005, 02:41:00 PM »
Right on, Woof-a-doof.  i like your words. There is a lot in what you wrote. i think i'll have to come back and re-read for a more critical look later. i was just wondering, Do i detect the influences of Buddhist philosophy and /or Krishnamurti in what you wrote? PEACE.
-starry-eyed.
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« Reply #14 on: June 18, 2005, 03:16:00 PM »
Reality is just electrical and chemical reactions in the brain...
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